More Yellow Sticker Info

[Depot]

On easter Sunday, i was on my way outta Kitchener when Mr Police officer for absolutely no good reason decided to do a U-turn and come after me. Pulls me over right b4 I got on the highway. he comes up to the truck and starts to say, "the reason I pulled u over is, oh wait there it is." and he checks out my yellow anual inspection sticker which is still valid till the end of may on my rig. So i asked him politely - wtf??? My truck is currently registered for 4000 Kg, actual weight is about 3600 Kg, its empty, Im not a business - personal use only.. y do i need a yellow sticker. he was kind enough to explain to me... I didnt believe him and did some research and it turns out he is right... the following is an excerpt for the mto site....

An annual safety inspection is required:

On a single truck, if its actual weight, registered gross weight or gross vehicle weight rating exceeds 4,500 kilograms (9,920 lb.), or

On both the truck and the towed trailer, if the combination's weight exceeds 4,500 kilograms.

Now Im sure most of know bout needing yellows if our registered weight or actual weight are over 4500kg but this GVWR is a new one for me... Cop was nice enough to tell me how he loves pulling punks over in duallys and p/u and giving em a $300 ticket over it and how hes won in court everytime. He also aid that even Hummers need a damn yellow... A Hummer??? needs an annual safety inspection??? nah.. cant be... well, upon further research, the f**ker turns out to be right and heres why..

yellow sticker - actual, registered or GVWR > 4500kg.

more details from mto's site....

Gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or vehicle weight rating (VWR) of a truck

Trucks...
The vehicle weight rating is the amount stated by the truck manufacturer to be the loaded weight of the single truck. The GVWR or VWR is usually located on the driver's door, driver's door post or in the glove compartment.

Trailers....
Gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or vehicle weight rating (VWR) for a trailer

The vehicle weight rating is the amount stated by the trailer manufacturer to be the loaded weight of the single trailer. The GVWR or VWR is usually located on the trailer's tongue, frame or body. Some small trailers may not have a gross vehicle weight rating or a vehicle weight rating. In this case the rating would not apply.

Older trailers may have a plate that states the "MAXIMUM CAPACITY" and "EMPTY WEIGHT". In this case, both figures are added together to obtain the vehicle weight rating.

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So for once I was actually innocent and learned somethign usefull form a local KW copper. Let this be fair warning to all yahs out there.. take a look at the sticker on ur vehicles door or door frame to find ur GVWR rating to make sure ur not one of the poor folk out there that has to have a damn yellow just cause ur vehicle is capable of carrying 4500+ kg. Its a $300 ticket and both MTO and metro are going happy hardcore pulling over everybody - not just the big guys, all the little lanscapers and locals.

happy wheeling

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[KAC]

Dohhhh!!!

[DasZuk]

Howdy Depot !
As a mechanic that does these annual inspections from time to time ( I work in a Heavy Truck repair shop ) - an important thing to keep in mind when getting ready for an annual safety inspection, is that when looking at the components, the judgement call is biased towards "will this part last until the next annual inspection"
ie- are those tie rod ends or rusty brake lines going to last a whole year - instead of the 30 days a normal safety is good for. It's a lot less likely that marginal stuff will pass on an annual inspection, especially cause the garage is responsible for that year too...

just my 2 cents....
DasZuk

[Depot]

tx for the inffo.. my truck is still relatively new and well maintained so getting a yellow is not a concern for me.. just a pain... what do u guys charge for safety on 1 ton p/u trucks and trailers? maybe i swing down there b4 my trip down east... dont wanna drive back with an expired sticker.

l8r

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[zc911]

the turck we tow with is 9500 GVWR, perfect :D no need to worry about a yellow sticker

[Depot]

9500 GVWR = yellow sticker

anything over 4500 u are supposed to get the stupid yellow sticker every year.

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[zc911]

9500 lbs

[MLC]

i can get you a N.S. sticker ....any thing over 4500kg is the same all across canada so a N.S. sticker is valid even if the truck /trailer isn't from N.S..the price is right too....

[TheSarg]

I'll take one of those :beer: how much?

[MLC]

Sarge you bring her down to N.S. and we will take a look at her first ......then we will talk sticker

[Jeff@SGLC]

Yes I dug up an old thread. I don't own a samurai although my cousin did have one lol. I was doing an online search about the yellow sticker and found this site.


My question is with my new truck being 5171kg for the GVWR I need a yellow sticker correct? Now do I rate the truck at its GVWR or what it could possibly tow as well?

Thanks guys, nice to see helpful information everywhere.

[ZookVet]

Hey Depot or Daszuk, how bout my 3/4 ton chev diesel van, do you have to worry bout yellow stickers on vans too?

I 'd be lucky if she can pull my two tons let alone my zook!!!
Reg

[Jeff@SGLC]

Oh and by the way, I"m new to the forum....found the Yellow Sticker info very informative...thanks guys.

[Depot]

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/annual.htm

read that link... heres my interpretation of it...

the magic # is 4500 Kg.

u need a yellow if u fall into any of the following 3 catagories...

1 - ur actual truck weight is 4500 or more
2 - the wieght u register ur truck for is over 4500 kg. As soon as u register ur truck for more than 3000 kg (thats the minimum for any vehicle) ur anual sticker costs more and more as weight increases.
3 - heres the tickler... GVWR - Gross vehicle Weight Rating. This is where most ppl get miffed. Somehwere on ur vehicle there is a plate that has all ur info like actual weight, vin, tire pressures and GVWR. U gotta find that plate to get ur info.. it aint on ur registration papers.

A GVWR is what ur truck is rated for as beng able to carry including its own weight. Whether or not u actually reach that # deosnt matter, ur truck is rated as being able to reach it. So If ur trucks GVWR is over 4500 kg, then u MUST get a yellow sticker.

Rule of thumb... if ur truck is a dually, ur GVWR is over 4500 and automatically u must get yellows every year.

ok, so now that we've established the requirements for getting a yellow, heres what u gotta know for registered weights.....

The weight u register ur truck for must be high enough to include the weight of ur truck, loaded with all ur gear, fuel, passangers, whatever otherwise u can be charged for being overweight and have ur vehicle impounded as such.

•••TRAILERS•••

here is where most ppl are misinformed....

The rule is simple.... Ur trucks registered weight must include the wieght of ur trailer and its cargo! There is an excemption...

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/trailers.htm

In a nutshell, if ur trailer transmits less than 2800 KG to the road via its own tires, then that weight does NOT get added to ur registered weight BUT the tongue weight DOES!!!!!!

To give u an example, my 24 foot trailer with 2 zuks on it transmits about 3600 KG to the road via its own tires... Since Im over the 2800Kg excemption, all that weight, trailer and tongue must be included in my registered wieght... Thats why my dually is registered for 9000 kg in non winter months.

The only way to determine if u qualiy for the ecemtion is to have ur rig weighed. MTO does offer scales free of charge to check ur shit out but if ur over or not properly registered, they will impound u and may even charge u on the spot.. better off going to a private scale.

hope this helps

gl

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[Canadian_zuk]

Go to the dump! they give you a printout when you leave saying weigth in and weigth out. That's how they charge you for how much crap you dropped off.

[Jeff@SGLC]

Hey I can go to the Miller Waste Depot on Squires beach lol.

[TheSarg]

I just registered my new rig and it was rated as a "Shipping weight" of 3024kg on the ownership, 24 kg over and need to pay $109 a year for a plate sticker. now, through talkin to the girl more about it it has now been changed to 2999 kg and reg price for a sticker, i was informed that from her calculations that means tween fuel, me, the boss, and any load in the bed must not exceed 700 Lbs. In finding more info out and talking to a super friendly Green Hornet he said that i should pay the extra fer the sticker cause of the tongue weight of the trailer and other misc weight ( i imagine 110 litres of Diesel has to weight huge lbs). So that being complete and understood my question is, the GVRW on the vehicle ( not the shipping weight as listed in the puter, dont ask i have no clue) is 3994 KG, Do i need a yellow sticker if i relist it at a higher wieght but is still less then 4500kg???
From what i understand its only the tongue weight of the trailer not overall weight as then the trailer itself becomes a "vehicle" and is rated accordingly, ie. if combined weight of trailer and whateverthehelluhaveonit does not exceed 4500kg it needs no yellow sticker????

[Depot]

sarg - if ur truck only weight 2999 kg and ur gvwr is less than 4500 kg, u do not need a yellow (for personal use, business use u need yellows no matter what ur weight is).

Ur registered weight mut be high enough to include the actual weight of ur truck, ur load, fuel, ur ass and the tongue weight of ur trailer. this means u gotta weigh ur rig, dont go by what the puter says cause its not 100% accurate... my truck on paper says it only weighs 2974 kg but in reality it weighs 3400 kg.

again, member about the small trailer excemption rule... if ur trailer transmits LESS than 2800 kg to the road via its own tires, then and only then u do NOT have to includee the weight of ur trailer in ur registered weight (but u still msut include tongue weight). Otherwise u must include the full amount.

I would register ur truck at 4000 Kg at least.

Sticker prices -
3001-3500 Kg = $109 per year
3501-4000 Kg = 124 per year
4001-4500 kg = 139 per year
4501-5000 kg = 154 per year

Make sure ur registered weight is greater than ur actual weight to give u room to play in. The $$ amounts are not that big but the ticket fines start at 300 bucks.

Finally, if ur actual wieght or registered weight exceeds 4500 Kg, then not only will u need a yellow for both truck and trailer, but u'll also need CVOR. Git ur shit weighed to find out fer sure where u wind up.

gl

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[Banger]

All rigs that have a "yellow" sticker, also have too go into the scales when the lights are on, and under go, an inspection if asked.
Just more trouble fer yeah. :D

[Depot]

thats not true. u only have to go to scale if ur over 4500Kg which puts u in cvor range or if its business use.

My truck has a yellow just cause my GVWR is over 4500 Kg... I must have a yellow then. But my registered weight is only 4000 Kg for the winter months so i dont have to abide by ANY of the cvor regs nor do I have to report to scales in Ontario.

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[vanbdan]

ahh you sure about that? 'cause that's not what a green hornet told me last summer.He said (and ya I know they are not always correct) we shoudn't bother with the scales,unless told to go there by mto.

I have never stopped in over 10 years up and down the 401.Aren't you a trucker Banger?can you imagine having to pull up to the scales on the 401 east in the 'Shwa at rush hour,and having all yellow sticker vehicles lined up at the scales? Just the service vehicles alone would hold you up overnight.

hope it never comes to that. van. :hubba:

edit: Dam Depot jumped in there too..

[Banger]

yup, I'm a truck'r. But I've always known that anything with a yellow sticker must go into the scales, when needed. I dont know anything about this with personal cars, dam I did'nt even know you needed one for a pick up. But In our fleet, we've got little single axles,tandom axles, straight trucks, cube vans, and ALL must go into the scale when needed. maybe it's a comercial thing, I dont know.
How many Hummer's have you seen with a yellow sticker? :roll: this might be the letter of the law, but I bet it;s never invorced, for 4wheel'rs.

I have known that, the MTO luv's to get the landscape'rs in the summer. They go into red roze. emty, with there big trailer. And pick up a load, of whatever. And they fine them when they leave. For being over wieght with a G licence, they "say" with a one ton truck & a big ass trailer( eclectic brakes) you only need a G. But load that trailer to the tit's, and now you need a A lic, the Z is the air brake indorcement.

and YES my spelling sucks, sorry. But you'd be surprized how much better it's gotten.lol

[vanbdan]

We also run comercial...Our company runs between 8 and 13 diesel 1 ton vans,with the tow behind compressors.We also have three large flat deck double axle trailers,2 of which are towed every day.These are heavy weights.We also are required to have "yellow stickers",but every comercial vehicle is required.It means that yearly your vehicle is checked over for safety.Its like getting a mechanical every year.Our trailers also get them.We go to the same garage every spring.We also are required to have CVOR's.Now we are not required to have anything more than a "G" license .My boss spent half a day at the MTO to make sure of this...Tomorow I will go to the shop and get some weights from my boss of the actual weight of my trailer at work empty attached to my van.Hekeeps all the weigh bills from the Scarbourough transfer station.

edit: not trying to be a smart ass either!I dont know what kind of a load landscapers are hauling,but we have been pulled over and have had big fines.All of our fleet hase been re-registered properly to be able to pull the maximum weight for our class of vehicle.Like depot said,for a few extra bucks a year,why not?.

my 2 cents van :hubba:

[Depot]

Banger - not picking on u but the info ur dishing is not accurate.

Any Black lettered plate being used for commercial purposes MUST have a yellow no matter what its actual, registered or GVWR weights are.

ONLY vehicles that are registered over 4500KG must report to scales. This is a CVOR requirement and u must be over 4500 Kg to start CVOR range. Correction... u can get a cvor no matter what weight u register at, but law states once u break 4500Kg u MUST have a cvor.

Hummers are a grey area that has not been clarified yet.... yes their gvwr is over 4500 and letter of law states that they must have a yellow. If u have blue plates on ur hummer then ur not entirely bound by these laws. It is a grey area and I have a bud that got nailed in Milton for not having a yellow but he's taking it to court.. we'll see what happens.

MTO has the right to stop ANY vehicle black or blue plated. And yes they are going after small companies like lanscapers very hard. Most lanscapers do not need cvor's as their weights dont get that high but the do need yellows for their trucks (commercial applications) AND their trailers must have yellows too. Any trailer that is attached to a truck with a yellow sticker must have its own yellow sticker. period. They are nailing small companies for these and many other safety violations like improper loading and chains etc.

Finally... G liscence...

Any car, van or small truck or combination of vehicle and towed vehicle up to 11,000 kg provided the towed vehicle is not over 4,600 kg

The next step is a D liscence...

Any truck or motor vehicle combination exceeding 11,000 kilograms provided the towed vehicle is not over 4,600 kg

and Finally it goes to A...
Any tractor-trailer or motor vehicle combination exceeding 11,000 kilograms where the towed vehicle exceeds 4,600 kg

Its hard to imagine any of us here having a trailer that exceeds 4600 Kg (10,120 pounds). Even my rig doesnt break that line.

The only diff between G and D is changing ur tow rig to say from a 1 ton p/u truck to a 5 ton fully loaded.

if u trailer does wight more than 4600Kg then yes, u need to move to an A liscence. U r right about Z being for the air brake endorsement only.

Any more Q's?

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[vanbdan]

The only thing I have to add to Depot's post(and I know someone is thinking it)is this does not affect rv's.Camper trailers,and fifth wheel trailers are different for some reason.

van :hubba:

[Depot]

Vehicles and Trailers That Do Not Require Annual Inspections




Motor homes. A truck while carrying a slide-in camper is a motor home.


Camper trailers and house trailers. A livestock trailer with living accommodations is not a house trailer.


Mobile homes or office trailers wider than 2.6 m (8.6") or longer than 11 m (36 ft).


Trucks that weigh 4,500 kilograms or less while towing camper trailers, house trailers, devices or implements of husbandry such as farm wagons.

Note: The trailer's tongue weight and the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of an attached house or camper trailer is not added to the weight of the truck when determining the truck's weight.

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there is no excemtion for 5th wheel trailers per say unless its one of the above listed trailers. A 5th wheel car carrier trailer does not qualify for this excemption.

gl

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[Banger]

No probs Depot, you are VERY well informed. More so that I, And I will admit this. I have learned something here, And when I'm wrong,I'll say so. sorry for misinfo'ing,(new word.lol)I hate the dam scales anyways. :D

[Banger]

I do have one question for you Depot, My company had their single axle trucks registrated for really heavy, as much as most tandam axles truck, for there A & B trains, But we got hit all the time for, axles wieght fines. We were ok on the GVW, that we were reg fer, but the axle wieght is a big diff, we mostly went over on the drive axles, & some times the steers. does this also apply too, Cars & pick up truck
We wer good to haul 25.ooo on the 1st trailer & 25.ooo on the 2sd trailer on a A-train( single axles), & on a B 25 & 35 ish( single, single). But on a longbox trailer ( 53footer, tandom) maybe 42ish, but I've seen lots of long boxes, scaled out bad, with only 20.ooo in the trailer. almost half the GVW. So, if this applies to you, be carefull, cause unless it's loaded like water, your load will have, different axle wieghts than you think.

And with our trailers, we are able to slide the boggie's on the axles, to adjust the axle wieght. I dont know if your car trailer can do this, without lots of work.( moving u-bolts)
I ask you this, just so I'll know.lol you seemed well informed. And I'd like to know if axle wieght applies to you as well.

[TheSarg]

A truck while carrying a slide-in camper is a motor home.

So if i put a slide in camper into my bed this no longer pertains to me????

Do they come in chrome?? :thefinger

[Depot]

Sarge- there are more rules about qualifying as a camper... 1 I've heard is that u must have at least 5 functioning appliances in ur camer to qualify... furnace, stove, H/W heater, fridge.. to name a few. i reasearched this idea last year and hit a few brick walls and gave up.. feel free to pick up there if yah want.

banger - What ur saying about axel weights is pretty intuative for us "small" haulers. if u have a single 3500 pound axel, then thats all u can load on ur trailer including the trailers own weight. Shifting ur load around will move weight from ur axels to ur tongue and back. Anyone here thats running 2 3500 lbs axels on a single trailer has no worries... thats 7000 pounds ur covered for. Even if u loaded ur zuk behind the axels so that they took 100% of the weight, u still wont be over.

Ur talkin about big rigs that transmit varying weights to the different axels based on its load. That shit doesnt apply to us. especailly since our trailer axels are grouped together and are always down.

leave the big rig stuff alone b4 u confuse the piss outta everyone.

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[Banger]

I did'nt mean to try & confuse, anyone. I'm just not nearly as informed on the G issuses as you are. & a'm thinking that they would have the same rules. I see that they don't.Not for every thing.
More so, cause as you stated, our Zook loads are not heavy, enuff for concern.
I did think, that all yellow stickered vehicles, must enter a scale, when the lights are flashing.( this is the case in my ind.) This too must just; apply to, yellow stick'rd big rigs.
But thank-you for clearing up any of "my", questions. I would have been pulling into the coop, with a little zook behind, when the lights er on, Would have gotten some good looks. :shame:
But... thats a different story. :roll:

[Depot]

o.k... here it is in a nutshell...

Ur truck must have a yellow sticker if it meets any of the following...

1 - commercial use
2 - actual weight is over 4500Kg
3 - registered weight is over 4500Kg
4 - GVWR is over 4500 Kg

To determine ur actual weight so that u can register ur truck at an appropriate weight to cover ur ass.. that # must include the actual weight of ur truck, its occupants, its load, cargo, fuel, anything and everything that adds weight to ur truck... even ur ego if its big enough AND either the tongue weight of ur trailer or the entire weight of ur trailer if it doesnt qaulify for the small trailer excemption.

That excemption is simple... If ur trailer (fully loaded) excerpts less than 2800Kg to the road of weight via its own axels/tires while connected to ur truck, then u DONT have to register ur truck for that weight... its a freebie. BUT U must still include the trailer tongue weight cause ur truck is taking that load.

*******IMPORTANT NOTE *********
If ur truck requires or has a yellow sticker for ANY reason. Then ur trailer MUST also have its own yellow sticker.

it doesnt matter who owns what....if truck needs a yellow, trailer must also have one... period. For example... if I were to borrow fullloads trailer... and connect it to my truck. since my truck is yellowed.. id have to get a yellow for full's trailer b4 I could legal use it. kinda sucks but ce la vie. So be warned if ur borrowing the company truck!!!!!!

Finally... Once ur truck is registered over 4500Kg.. now ur in CVOR territory. This means all the same rules that apply to big rigs apply to u. Log books, daily pre-trip, inspections, weigh scales, nasty records that u have to maintaind and keep with u. CVOR only covers u in Ontario... In Quebec u need an RN #. NB and NS u dont need anything special but ll the same rules still apply. In US, u need a DOT #.

As far as i know, I'm the only person on here that has or needs a CVOR so Im not gonna waste anymore time on this topic without a specific request.

Hopefully this sums it all up for all of us.

gl

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[vanbdan]

Here is the link on cvor's
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/cvor/regcert.htm

Also remember when borrowing the company truck(as Depot was saying) make sure you are legal...mto quote"It is an offence to operate a commercial motor vehicle without being registered in CVOR and carrying either the CVOR certificate or a copy in every vehicle operated." Some of us do use company vehicles(hell other than my zook I dont have a personal vehicle),so make sure you got everything before you set out.

van :hubba: