Location Change Poll

[Mud Lite]

What would people think of moving SuziCan to Kaladar? Phil has some land that has a trail plus is close to a killer power line. I am not sure that we would do the capture the flag here untill we get bored with the trails. Keep that for the following year. What do people think?

John and Karen

[longy442]

It could save me about 1 hour drive. Suits me. Although since I've only been to Calabogie once it sure isn't like I'm sick of the Quinn. So I guess I don't know. Its all good.

[Mudball]

Capture the flag was an awesome event. Though it was my first time there to see it. I know a few of the others who have been before said they would be looking forward to it this coming year.

[Genchaos]

Why not have 2 suzicans, one in the spring and one inthe fall. And have calobogie as the first one and Kaladar as the second one or vice versa.

Looking forward to going to my first one next summer. See you guys there

Steve

[Depot]

Where is Kaladar? Im a little bored of Calabogie even though capture the flag was awesome. Im up 4 a change

D

[Mudslug]

I say allow other imports along...I would hate to roll the pick up into a ball...thats what George is for

[Mud Lite]

This isn't ImportCan, its SuziCan. But nice try. If I let other Imports in , then I would have to open it to ****s too, and you know how that will go over. Stop hi-jacking my thread!!!!!! :shame:

[Mudslug]

Bring it !!! :bringiton

:thefinger :thefinger

[Superzuk]

I say go for it. I'll be in. Made the last two, and as long as I can help it... I will make the rest...

[longy442]

2 Suzican. oh yes thats the ticket. Bring that shit on. twice the zooks. Now thats a good idea!!!!!!!!! Oh yes. I'm for that.

[Mud Lite]

Where is Kaladar? Im a little bored of Calabogie even though capture the flag was awesome. Im up 4 a change

D

Phils's Farm? That was where you drove down the big rack face.

[Mud Lite]

Why not have 2 suzicans, one in the spring and one inthe fall. And have calobogie as the first one and Kaladar as the second one or vice versa.

Looking forward to going to my first one next summer. See you guys there

Steve

Its hard enough putting one on, let alone two. We don't want to stretch the Sponsors over two events either. Once a year is fine, and we would get a better showing at one than two.

[GearHead]

either place i'll be there.
How is the camping at kaladar, any closer to a swimable lake??
what sort of amenities are around.....gas/food/etc also 2wd access for trailers and campers.

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steve

[MuddMachine]

Kaladar is at HWY 41 & HWY 7. Hiway 41 starts at Napanee (0.5 hrs past Belleville) and goes way north. I know the area (lived in Cloyne, 10 min. north) and the terrain looks awesome although I havent wheeled there. Im sure it would be good. Is Kaladar your only other viable option ? Will it support 50 trucks ?

Steve all the amenities are nearby, not sure about the access :question:

Oh yeah, one more thing........... KILL GEORGE :thefinger :po:

[Mudball]

I sunk my Cherokee there 3 years ago. Took me 2 days to get it out. ;)

There are some nice trails up around Kaladar/Cloyne.

Mudd, does this mean you'll be a trail guide? ;)

[GearHead]

well looked it up on mapblast.
kaladar works for me.....3.5 hours from hamilton 1.0 hours bellville.......
its much better than the 5.5 hour drive to calabogie

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steve

[Screwen]

even though i wouldnt be invited anyways!

i would keep it where it is
N4WDC is planning on having a big campout weekend there anyways inviting zookpower to join

and for those who havent been to phils farm, Watch out that place makes you try stupid shit!

ask depot!

lol

[MuddMachine]

There are some nice trails up around Kaladar/Cloyne.

Mudd, does this mean you'll be a trail guide? ;)

Well maybe a party guide as I know a group of punks up there with a kick ass metal band ! :D

Kaladar is sounding good so far.

[Mudball]

I know a group of punks up there with a kick ass metal band ! :D

You're speaking my language. :jam:

What kind of trails are around Phils farm? Power lines like the Vanacher, or more mud?

[Fullload]

Phils farm is a forest type setting with hills ( slippery too) and obstacles all over the place. It is short and tight but alot of carnage could be had if there were some mandatory obstacles.
From what i have been told we barely scratches the surface of his land so who knows he may have something else for us up his sleve.
The flinton power line is awesome with a relatively tame road that leads to teh trail head. It is about 8 kms long. Then you get all the rock obstacles that you have seen in the pics.
I would definatly be up for the change and the 3 hour tour instead of 7 hours. it seems to be about half way for the T.O people and the Ottawa people.

[Superzuk]

Can I vote again... I'm not sure my vote showed up... :thefinger


Kaladar!!!! Way closer, split distance between TO and Ott like Fulload said, and a change of scenery...

[Mudslug]

Mudd George won't die...I tried!!!

Kaladar is my vote, the pick up will do well there.

[Twinkie]

either place i'll be there.
How is the camping at kaladar, any closer to a swimable lake??
what sort of amenities are around.....gas/food/etc also 2wd access for trailers and campers.

later
steve
Kaladar is 10 minutes or so from Phil's. It's basically a 1 horse town, a Shell station/general store/retaraunt. There are a couple of chip trucks in town as well. Up 41 is Northbrook? about 15 minutes, it has an IGA I believe (been a few years) and possibly a hardware store. Easy access on to Phil's land for trailers and camping, although we'd be closer together, there is just as much overall room as the dam. As for swimming, never thought of that. There is a small park in Flinton I noticed when we drove through, it may have a pond or something, never thought about keeping clean, guess the dam does us well for that.

My pics from Phil's can be seen HERE (http://teamsally.ca/index.php?set_albumName=album04&option=com_gallery&Itemid=42&include=view_album.php&page=1), they were taken the weekend before the Zookpower boys went out there.

[MuddMachine]

22 posts and almost 200 views but only 11 votes ??? C'mon guys, CHOP CHOP

VOTE ON THE POLL ! :whip:

[TheSarg]

Even 2 miles closer to me would make me happy, besides it gives more exposure to the general public and spread the wealth of tourism around a bit lol.

How bout a run west of Toronto???????

[longy442]

Sarg I'll run with you west of toronto. Is there anywhere good?

[MuddMachine]

:off:

All the good mud + rock is north or east guys, not bein a prick but thats where it's at.

[leadfoot]

I think moving it to Kaladar would be a great idea. We wouldn't have to drive 20 min. on a dusty dirt road to get to the trail head or have to deal with the MNR.

[Canadian_zuk]

Where is Kaladar? Im a little bored of Calabogie even though capture the flag was awesome. Im up 4 a change

D

Kaladar hwy7 and 41. that intersection is Kaladar. all of Kaladar. P.S. I have 50 acres at Venachar Junction. half way between Kaladar and Calabogie. Not far from east trail head to Lingham lake. Also the Venachar hydro line is in my back yard almost. It's somewhere to park tow rigs and setup tents if ya want.

[Mud Lite]

Well we will have to talk to Phil and see what he thinks of the idea. I have spoken to Al, and he said he would pass it by Phil and see what he says. If we do capture the flag again. The rules will be a little harder as far as saftey goes. Cages, helmets, SEAT BELTS!!, staps, and a no hands on policy for spotters.

[Depot]

Sounds good!

D

[GearHead]

I know that the cage / no cage thing has been beaten to death ...but
If you are going to make capture the flag a manditory cage event then there should be an event for the non-caged vehicles, or have flags that are for caged trucks only and visa-versa.
in most cases you could use the same flag and just limit the access for caged only trucks ie "super-unlimited" or what every it gets called.

there were lots of flags that were relitivly safe, where stock role protection and a helmut would be adequate.

the flags that worried me were the ones with multi-roll potential. where going over would not be a simple onto one side or over onto the roof once.
endos are bad too, but could be avoide with a manditor strap / winch one rule.

I liked the capture the flag event and did not role, there were some flags i did not go for because of the role over potentential.

also there sould be too many flags to get within the time limit, so that everone knows that they do not have to make every flag to be in the running to win.
you could have a king of the super unlimited prize for the one that gets the most super-unlimited flags.

One observation from last year....i did not see alot of winch useage. lots of people had them and few took the time to hook up before attempting a gate.

one thing that would make the event better.......a slightly accurate map.

later
steve

[Depot]

i see ur point but heres another perspective.

Normally we run trails with a trail leader at events such as suzican. With a trail leader and everyone doing one obstacle at a time, there is an element of control and safety implied.

Capture the flag is basically a free for all with a time limit and point incentives. this inherently adds a lot more risk. Not to say that stock trucks need supervision, but this is an organized event with serious risk and legal liability issues. If ur gonna send 50 trucks out on their own, certian precautions must be taken. roll cages and brain buckets are a good start. Not everyone is as responsible as they should be. Simply stating that certain flags are off limits to near stock trucks is prolly not enough to ensure they dont atempt it.

basically, capture the flag is a competitive event. And like any competition, limits get pushed. hence the increased risk factor. If competition styled events are gonna be held, then restrictions must be imposed as a whole to ensure safety. If that means no trucks without rollcages then so be it. On the same note, an alternative event should be organized such as a led trail run so that ppl are not excluded from daily activities.

i for 1 feel strongly about rollcages. Stock or not, if ur gonna wheel, cage ur rig. No excuses. If not, then its only fair that u be excluded from certain runs.

my 2 cents.... if u got change. contribute it to my beer fund :beer:

D

[Fullload]

Just for the record, last year i had no close calls with rolling while trying any of the obstackles and the one that i did not try had the potential so i left it.
My roll came from a different angle in front of a flag (one that had already been counted) and i was just pushing my limits for a picture.
Seatbelts and cages are a good idea indeed but there should be two different coulor flags to go for. Yellow and red per say. You have a cage you go for the red and if not you go for the yellow.
Keep the two classes different, instead of an option. if you are modified you are not to touch the supermodified flag.

[Mud Lite]

Steve: The intension is to have both classes. And I think the cage will be a heavy factor in selecting a class. What do people think about sticking together in groups? I know most did last year, with the odd exception. There will be lots of flags at the next event. I think alot more in the Very easy category and soem very hard ones for the Super Mods. I am hoping that there is more horizonatal rock couses there. Try to change things up as most of the calibogie ones were just stupid climbs. I am hoping for some good cracks between rocks to get wedged in , or boulder fields to cross. I want a little more Mud for the Mud crowd too. I will have to see what Phil and Al have for us. I want more variety in the course. I know some take this as competition, but it should be FUN!!!! Maybe we have two different classes for Comp and Fun Class. So you could be Super modified, but could win in the Non-Comp Fun class. I'm all for giving every person something to take home.

Please discuss

[Hoppin' Along]

I really enjoyed the capture the flag GAME. It was more of a challenge against myself, what I (my truck) thought I could do and what I could do. I was surprized what was possible. I am fairly responsible and do not want to cause stupid damage to my truck, but I still had a close to roll scare. Shit happens.
I have not caged my truck yet and would understand trail restrictions. Simply having two different sets of flag would only stop some one (me) from punching the wrong color flag. I would probable still try the obsticle, with more caution.
Saying that probable will get me in shit but it is the truth. Put a flag at the top of a cliff and all of us will try to get there.
Hopefully Ill finish my cage by then.

Greg.

p.s. What kind of cage will be classified as safe? Home welded, sched 40, dom, pro welded, 4 point, 6, 8, body mount, frame. Who is to say what is safe enough. Something to think about.

[longy442]

I enjoyed both days especially the trail ride, not knowing what was coming around the corner, what was next was awsome, the pressure of having to tackle the next obsticle was great pressure. What are you gonna do turn around and go back? not likely. The capture the flag was better for spectating everyone gathered around a bunch of flags watching the attempts was fun. I concider myself not a huge risk taker, sometimes even getting out and letting my spotter drive in case it rolled. :baby: But thanks to GearHeads winch I did get into some spots with bad roll potential, like the spot where Legace rolled. And the spot depot did. On my drive home I said next year the first mod I'm doing is roll protection. Like someone said earlier nothing wrong with a flop on the side but alot of the capture the flag had tall hills with posibilitie of cartwheels or multiple rolls that dangerous in any viechle. Anyway I'd drive all that way for a wicked trail ride and mild capture the flag. Hopefully I'll get around to the roll cage.

[GearHead]

i do see you piont about a free for all. you could have flags grouped and have some sort of supervision......but that my leed to liability if the supervisor makes a misjudgement. I like fulloads idea of two sets of flags, or flags for just the supermodified trucks. to keep the non-supermodified trucks off these obsticals make it automatic ejection from the event for attempting the flag.......same penataly as drinking of the trail.
Let the supermodifieds run all the flags if they want, and make the hard ones worth alot more points. And have a different point system for the non-supermodified rigs.

here is a thought.
two flag types. red and yellow

red is for supermodified only
yellow is for anyone

for the supermodified rigs
yellow flags = 1 point
red flags = 5 - 10 depending on difficluty.

for the non-supermodified rigs
yellow = 2 points

if there are enought flags it would be possible for anyone one to win.

while we are at is i think another thread should be started for classes of trucks.

exactly what is a;

super-modified

modified

stock

later
steve

[Screwen]

love the ideas guys

my question is what clasifies your truck as a zuk?
frame
body
grill?
motor


just wondering what i have to install to play this game! :question:

:thefinger

[ZookVet]

Wow, I feel that all the points here have great merit. my first few months wheelin I just went for anything in front of me. Usually at full speed. After saying that I feel that maybe we should look at trail experience for those who would want to try the super mod flags, based on time in the saddle, we could see how that person has progressed in mod's on his or her truck and have a standard rating for the time in saddle, before allowing them to try the super mod flag, whether they have a cage or not. Some people may want the chance and are willing to take the risk, knowing full well theyt may roll, it is still there choice and there truck and brain. Don't forget theyt could go into that area any time, without us being there nad still take the risk. I would rather have someone around when they do try an obstacle that is dangerous, maybe strap them to minimize the damage.
I know that I did not do the harder flags last year and didn't feel bad because my common sense stepped in. I feel that the super mnod's should go first so we can have everyone see the danger elliment before they take the chance, but I personally don't like anyone stelling me where I cannot go !
I'm not pissed, just headstrong when it comes to making my own decisions.
Reg

[longy442]

Back to the subject of moving Suzican there is something really fun about saying "Calabogie" It just kinda rolls off the tounge. Goin to "Calabogie" Thats a great name.

No hell, as fun as it is to say I'd rather save some travel time. Bring on Kaladar

[DannyL]

What would people think of moving SuziCan to Kaladar?

John I just caught this since I havent been here in a while.

30 minutes more traveling is fine with me........of course I'll be pulling in late........ :)

[Mudball]

The ottawa guys can't really complain about another 25 mins of travel time on hwy 7.

I feel for all you southern ontario lads! 7, 8 and 10 hours of driving last SuziCan?

:beer: to that! :)

[Fullload]

Not just once either. A few of us have done it three years in a row!!!! Last month we did a day run to Kaladar and was three hours.
In the month october i put about 5000kms towing and depot did about 9000kms. he added the trip to N.S and back as well.