1.3 to 1.6 adapter plate

[szabotage]

this weekend past I finally built me an adapter plate to mate a 1.3 block to a 1.6 tranny, I know that most of you couldn't give 2 shits about doing such a setup but for educational purposes here's the pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatewithtext002.jpg

[szabotage]

here's the two plates overlapped just to get an Idea of their differences:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatewithscript005.jpg

[szabotage]

here's the plate all cut up and drilled to spec:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatewithtext003.jpg
I used an oxy/acetylene torch to cut the plate, kinda crude but did the trick
for the starter I used the mounting holes from the 1.6 spacer plate for mock up

[szabotage]

here's the test fit of the adapter plate on a 1.3 mock up block to see if all fits up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatepics029.jpg
sure enough it all fell into place

[szabotage]

close up on the lower mount and the tolerances to the 1.6 mounting hole
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatepics019.jpg

[szabotage]

the tranny side:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatepics032.jpg
as you can see I already trimmed a bit of the grade 8 mounting bolt for clearance issues with the tranny

[szabotage]

and for the tranny side I had to die grind a small section out as well
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatepics018.jpg

[szabotage]

anyways here's a pic of the tranny and mock up engine mated together
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/trannymountedtoengine.jpg
the fit was very snug, for a first try I didn't need to do any grinding to the plate itself

[szabotage]

so that proved that the 1.3-1.6 adapter plate is possible, I actually thought I may have to countersink the lower inner to engine mounts for clearance issues but since I had no money to buy the proper bolts with the tapered shoulder and countersink drill bits the grinding to the tranny and or mount bolts seemed to be effective. the bolts that mount to the tranny were actually grinded as well for clearance due to its tight tolerances. for a fast forward to the next project( dual transfers cases) here's a shot of the total length of the powertrain
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/powertrainassembly.jpg

as you can see the kick t-case hasn't been modified yet but is in the works, I'll have pics up in a separate thread

[szabotage]

and to adapt the two transfer cases I opted to do this rather than invest in a OTT kicker
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatepics043.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/adapterplatepics037.jpg
props go out to Wes Reed aka. mudball for tiggin the narrowed intermediate shaft together. cost: one cow pattied pony carb

[Depot]

Looks good! whatcha gonna do about front output on the kick t-case? Chop and weld like muddmachine?

D

[szabotage]

yup, I'm pretty much doing the same build up on the ongoing thread on dual transfers here on zookpower. I did the same setup in my LWB last winter and after a full season of hard wheelin I believe it has proven itself to work flawlessly when done properly. the total cost of the dual transfer case build up:
5 bucks for an extra long sawzall blade
12 bucks for the 3/16" aluminum plate
50 bucks for the tig welding
10-20 bucks worth of argon and welding wire
and round 20-30 bucks for the various steel for the frame mounts
oh and another 20 bucks or so for the zinc primer and black spray bomb

140 bucks to get extra low gearing? yeah, I think I'll do it again in my next rig!

oh and if you haven't noticed from the pics the tranny is an automatic!

[Mudball]

heh, COW PATTY CARB, WOO!

That was one hell of an interesting weld. 360 degree Tig weld on cast, with .. I believe stainless rod?

Lots of heat there. I put my money on a 3rd going before that weld does. ;)

[szabotage]

yep the welds on it were super clean an deep, and if it was as good as the first one I built (with a mig) it prolly won't need to be balanced!

I'll try and get some close ups on the beads when I can, nicest beads I've seen for a first time tigger!

[Depot]

yah, I noticed it was an auto but alas, I already have an auto in my zuk 2 months ago! :bringiton Shes coming back out when I put in my rebuilt motor cause i just dont believe auto will take the nitrous shot! :roll:

D

[szabotage]

here's the donor block I plan to use for my setup, G13B lower block and a 1.6 head with all the EFI. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/szabotage/project%20rockcrawler/IMGP0437.jpg
forged internals from the GTI block and a reinforced crank and mains should prove to be indestructible. as for the GTI head, I'll be saving that for a frankenstein jobbie for my other truck, 1.6 GTI turbo'ed but that's another project for another time!

[Canadian_zuk]

looks good man. keep the pics comming. See if you can get them a little bigger. I like scrolling sideways :thefinger . jk

[szabotage]

Lol, sorry bout that, I'll learn the crop feature!

[Canadian_zuk]

Ya don't have to crop em, just save em at 640x480 pixles.

[screech]

I like it ,the adapter plate has been talked about quite a bit on here but until now there have been no pictures . Now that I can see it for myself, it looks pretty easy to make
Thanks

[Fullload]

I like it ,the adapter plate has been talked about quite a bit on here but until now there have been no pictures . Now that I can see it for myself, it looks pretty easy to make
Thanks


Carefull screech, correct me if i am wrong but i would assume that you would be after the 1.6 motor that adapts to the 1.3 tranny, to keep your original t-case.
What szabotage is doing is keeping the 1.3 motor and putting a 1.6 tranny/t-case combo in. this way he make it into the double t-case deal.

[szabotage]

yup, there's a couple of differences with the 1.6 motor to 1.3 tranny adapter to the vice versa design that I used.

tapered mounting holes and matching hardware to keep the surface flush when mounting are needed due to a clearance issue and the plate needs to be installed to the tranny side rather than the engine side before mating them together. oh and the starter mounts are drilled different since the smaller 1.3 flywheel is used on the 1.6 engine. mine uses the 1.6 bigger flywheel. other than that both plates are the same

I'll throw up some pics of the 1.6 to 1.3 plate and the differences when I get the chance

mike

[Depot]

Tx for the clarification fulll... there was something there that caught my eye but i just couldnt wrap my drunken fingers around it.. it all makes sense now :D

:beer:

D

[screech]

Thanks guys , I didn't notice that .But it is pretty much the same isnt it?
If you could post a picture of both that would really clarify the difference

[Fullload]

Not the same. the 1.3 block is smaller than the 1.6 tranny. and the 1.6 block is bigger than the 1.3 tranny similar process for both which szabotage already stated, which differences are where.

[rockrat]

Very ingenius but for $49.00 US.. You can get the lucky 13 to do what you spent how much onin time and money??

[szabotage]

now why did I spend all my hard earned money on all these fabrication tools? cuz I'm a firm believer in 'it's not what you buy, it's what you build!'

49$ us translates to bout 65 to 90 bucks Can. (depending on the exchange) . and then there's the over the border tax and the 1 to 6 week wait. then there's the lack of self acclomplishment knowing you got someone else to do it for you.

my cost: 10 bucks can. in steel,
time spent building it: 1.5 hrs
satisfaction of building your own stuff rather than buying some online bolt on part: priceless :D

do I feel any remorse in my decision? nope! the money I saved from buying a lucky 13 I used to get me a Dayglo Abortions CD and a 'take me drunk, I'm home' t-shirt

mike

[Terranaut]

Rockrat your link in your sig is no good.
I found the lucky 13 anyway .Can I use it with a Kick automatic?

[Depot]

im curious.. someone post this lucky 13 link.

btw.. nutin replaces the pride in making something urself.. even if it costs u more to do it! To each his own... theres a lot of stuff I'd rather buy than build given time and $$ but to each his own.

D

[szabotage]

Rockrat your link in your sig is no good.
I found the lucky 13 anyway .Can I use it with a Kick automatic?

I'm pretty sure it does, they're all the same bolt pattern

[szabotage]

now why did I spend all my hard earned money on all these fabrication tools? cuz I'm a firm believer in 'it's not what you buy, it's what you build!'

49$ us translates to bout 65 to 90 bucks Can. (depending on the exchange) . and then there's the over the border tax and the 1 to 6 week wait. then there's the lack of self acclomplishment knowing you got someone else to do it for you.

my cost: 10 bucks can. in steel,
time spent building it: 1.5 hrs
satisfaction of building your own stuff rather than buying some online bolt on part: priceless :D

do I feel any remorse in my decision? nope! the money I saved from buying a lucky 13 I used to get me a Dayglo Abortions CD and a 'take me drunk, I'm home' t-shirt

mike

sorry if I came off a bit hasty on ya, rockrat. I know not all are in a position to build your own stuff, just wanna offer others another alternative to those who have more time than money

[JesseA]

oops

[rockrat]

Well thats why I posted it because I dont know all the exchange rates and in My O2 how you guy's seemed to get fawked when buying product... I just figured i would let you know about it. I completely understand doing it yourself.. Yes i have purchaced all my equipement.. BUT there are times when I still buy it from someone else because it is not cost prohibative to make.. and I dont waist my time doing R/D or reinventing the wheel. I always applaude someone who wants to do it themselves, self accomplishement is a great achievement(sp)