Hmmm uhh guys?

[TheSarg]

Ok, if u were to run D60's F & R, what kinda drivetrain do ya think it would need? Could a 1.6L with a dual case setup and tall gears handle it, or is it time to transplant something a little more agressive??

Let me know what ya think, and this is for the Real Wheelers not the web wheelers, dont want no mustards.

[Fullload]

Is this gonna be for your zuk??? (it is not meant to be a sarcastic question but a serious one)

[TheSarg]

Yeah looking at the winter project, nothing that spectacular yet, but the D60's are available, just dont know if its realistic.

[Fullload]

Zuks work cause they are light. The easier route would be to put a zuk body on a fullsize. What size tire do you plan to run??? 60's axles are good up to a 44" tire (with a little finess)
Nothing is Unrealistic:D

[drtysuzuk]

not trying to suggest anything.....but doesnt this sound like something a **** guy would do? dont we run suzuks cause they are light and narrow?...not to mention different than anything else out there!!! give your head a shake man!!!!!!!
:yike :yike :yike :yike



drtysuzuk

[TheSarg]

not trying to suggest anything

Ok then dont, im askin a simple question, and just cause u wouldnt dont mean i wont, so dont piss on my parade when im askin the validity of an option :bang:

[drtysuzuk]

Originally posted by TheSarg
Ok then dont, im askin a simple question, and just cause u wouldnt dont mean i wont, so dont piss on my parade when im a

skin the validity of an option :bang:

notpissing on your parade SARGE i remember seeing a sami with 60,s znd a 454 in four wheeler mag. just didnt seem right to me. if you got the 60,s for the right price you could flip them and make some csh. afront out of a late model dodge is worth 12- $1500 at the wreckers!! what about early Bronco axles ,9" and 44 front,77 with discs. plenty strong and not too wide. abuddy of mine is running this with 35" boggers.

drtysuzuk:rolleyes:

[TheSarg]

ok sorry fer being crusty, however, i was planning on narrowing the 60's somewhat, but i do wish to have a wider stance and im not into zuks cause they're short and narrow im into them cause they're fun and cheap... and you assumed too much. I did entertain the idea of early Bronco diff's cause ive had a few, but thats become the norm, and i dont want norm, i want monsterous pigs under my truck turnin 35's.

Yer a decent guy and im not tryin to get into a pissing contest with u, but if i wanna build my truck my way, it dont make it wrong. I posted this thread cause i wanted some tech advice and expertise, not peeps tellin me im on crack and why am i butchering a Zuk.

[drtysuzuk]

point well taken. is bear racing still in gimsby? if so they did a 9" for me afew yrs ago when i was racing wheel to wheel trucks,......narrowed, spool ,r&p and two spare strange axles $ 2100 and change never needed spares though:beer: :beer:

i some times get this my ways the only way thing going,just ask Shelley!!!!

would highly recomend them


drtysuzuk

[Fullload]

I think that a dual case set up with a 1.6 16 valve could turn the tires as long as it was geared low enough in the axles. But i really doubt that the 1.3 0r even the 1.6 tanny could handle the axles. Those two axles alone weigh more than a stock sammy or a kik.
what dual case set up would you run? Kik or toys? Either way you are talking big money on adapters to mate them.

Just a blabbing thought to throw at ya.

:beer:

[gordZuki]

what about that new doubler box that takes the place of the small shaft from the tranny to tcase and then run 6:1 gears in the tcase and whatever in the axles ... just off the top something like 3.25x2x6x5.12=199?? crawl ... that's gotta be enough no??

[Superzuk]

ok, go toy diffs, toy dual ultimate overkill Marlin Crawler:

5.29 R&P
5.1 1st case
5.1 2nd case
3.95 1st gear

= 543.491955:1

or only 5.1 in 1 case =242.972874:1

or the way it is now: stock dual tcase with 5.29= 108.6231672

but my plan is to add one 5.1 as soon as I sell the new zuk I got for suzican....

bwahahahahaha

:yike :ban: :ban: :ban: :ban:

[TheSarg]

543:1??? yeah and have to change gears 4 times goin up a rock!! A single 5:1 sounds like the shizawl tho SuperZuk, i can tell u've dun yer homewerk!

[MuddMachine]

First off....... I dont think 60's are bullit proof behind a 1.6, you can break an axle with anything, not just a v8. 350SAMURAI runs Rockwells on a stock zook frame. Ford 9's , I dont like them, why ? Cuz I hate the super low, knuckle draggin pinion. dana 44's ??? easily breakable. Weight ? Prolly around 500 pounds apiece for the 60s with the front diff weighin a bit more. Zook tranny ? they do take alot but huge tires on 60s might be a bit much. You might wanna try the Ringer from "Kerri" Adapts the 1.6 bellhousing to a toy tranny. Would I do this kinda shit ? Fukn right I would. Go to it Sarge...... :beer:

BTW Toy diffs are middlewieght at best.

[Superzuk]

whaaaaattttt... Mudmachine... no comment on my idea of 543:1????
I thought you might like the idea... 4 high for mud, and tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo low for crawlin...
I think it might be possible to break an axle or birfield then though....

I wonder what it would be like in a long wheelbase, and if I added another tcase as well, with a 5.1.... holy shiat batman...
2771.806905:1

:yike :yike :bang: :bang: :bang: :uk:

Now that would be low... of course you would break everything and go really slow!!!

[MuddMachine]

Superzuk, where would we use such a low gear in ontario ??? Kinda redundant almost.

[Mud Lite]

I would only run 60's if you took 2" off the bottom, had the ring gear tunred down and a new bottom welded on. Plus you would have to cut them down too and have custom axles made. Why not run waggy axles or toy's? Alot cheaper, easy to find party in scrap yards as replacements. I have broken 4 junk yard joints in 4 years, and have only recently put brand new joints in. The Auto helps too.

[Superzuk]

probably in the "I'm lower than you" competition at Just ****s or **** Thrills.:pa: :pa:

[off_your_rocker]

i don't no all that coin in adapters and gears. keep it simple. and heres one for all you suzuki guys. 1.6, tracker auto(or manual) tracker case and a sami 4.16. all the parts your running plus a little kick. well see how it works in a couple week as soon as i find some toyota pinion shims(any body have any)this set up sounds difficult but i can do it cheap!!!

[off_your_rocker]

as for 60's you might as well slug around a couple of bolders. if you only want to run 35 then i think there are beter options. now if you got 42 then go for it and send me some pics

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by off_your_rocker
i don't no all that coin in adapters and gears. keep it simple. and heres one for all you suzuki guys. 1.6, tracker auto(or manual) tracker case and a sami 4.16. all the parts your running plus a little kick. well see how it works in a couple week as soon as i find some toyota pinion shims(any body have any)this set up sounds difficult but i can do it cheap!!!

Thats been done lots. Should work awesome if it's done right. Sarge wants to do something different so let the boy go wild :yike But hey...... MudLite is right about the diff clearance issues. That would be my biggest beef as well.

[TheSarg]

Clearance? muuuaaaahh this is a 60 under a zuk, and u say clearance??????? But thanks guys, i think it'd be more of a waste of money then anything, so other then D60's rhyme off what u would run idealy??

[MuddMachine]

Geez boy........ you got your nerve postin a butchered texan zook on this site :po:

[TheSarg]

well slap me sideways and call me Otis, i thought it was stock axles in alberta!

[MuddMachine]

Albertans dont put the rad on the outside of the grill :yike and they have real mountains, not dump truck piles...... oh and they dont wear Stetsons..... hahaha :D

Hey, youd be surprised tho. Id be willing to bet d60s on 42's would be about equal clearance as a zook diff on 35s or 36s

[TheSarg]

Now mudd, i hate correcting people, but that isnt a rad, thats his BBQ, notice how the angle of the cow catcher would dump the bovine rite onto the hot and ready propane powered grill!! By the time he stops at the trail head, dinner would be done, to also mention, he runs side by side exhaust to allowhis baked potatos in one side to cook.

[Depot]

i read somewhere that when doubling up t-cases whether divorced zuks or marlin crawler toys... u cant put 2 4:1 in and expect it to live long.. first box stays stock, second one gets reduced gears.. something abut the first box blowing up the second one with too much torque....

or maybe i jsut dreamed it all up... after all, not like i can read anyways!


Depot

:o

[Superzuk]

Depot, I can teach you to read....


Sarge... go for Portal axles... big beefy, and low geared... I can get you a set, but they do cost... also, I think stock they may be locked.... but ground clearance issues you will not have... Portal axles with 31's are like sammy axles with 35's...

[MuddMachine]

Portals ? Where ? What type, volvo or mog ? Drums all round ? Gear ratio ? I doubt theyre factory locked. But could be posi. Did they have a oem locker option ? And finally Superzook...... how much ???

[Superzuk]

Mog axles. 2k I believe the guy said. and I thought they were locked or posi.... I think they are 7.07 gearing standard in a Mog axle...
Kwayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyz.

I found them right after getting the toyota axle e locker....!!! for that price, I could have been well on my way to Mog axles...
:yike

[off_your_rocker]

i would bow to a zuk with killer drive line and portal mog axles. think about it is 2 grand alot when concidering d60's. mog axles have factory cable locker tons of gear and the strength of a d80 so the magazine said. i want a set but the coin in adapters and brakes and rims and the pinion is 19.5 inches. but still concidering they are close to a set of cut narrowed geared locked dana 60's:beer:

[MuddMachine]

First off how much do mog axles weigh ??? Secondly, where do we get parts for such a beast ? And last but not least, does anyone here have any idea of how much it would cost to beef up some axles ? ie: gears, lockers, bearings ??? Do the math, aquiring the axle is probably the cheapest part of it all.

[SJKrawler]

While we're on the topic of mog axles, be completely different and whip up a set of suzuki or toyota axles with portal boxes:D I don't believe weight would be an issue then.

[gordZuki]

Originally posted by MuddMachine
Secondly, where do we get parts for such a beast ?

cheapest route believe it or not is importing from germany ... a mog i could have gotten here in town but missed out on needed some parts and the guy here in town got them from germany for less then half the cost from some places in the states ....

[TheSarg]

Yer on crack boy, there's tons of Mogs out in B.C. sittin in the mountains doin nuthing, not even rusting. Over seas from germany? give yer head a shake

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by TheSarg
Yer on crack boy, there's tons of Mogs out in B.C. sittin in the mountains doin nuthing, not even rusting. Over seas from germany? give yer head a shake
Correct Sarge, lots of Mogs, not necessarily "lots of mog axles for sale" tho !!! And where do we get parts ? how much are axle parts ? Are these wet brake axles ?

[gordZuki]

yeah they are sitting in the mountains and most of those people don't use or won't sell them and don't have the internet to post them ... and when u contact the places that do sell they charge u through the ass ... the gf's uncle owned the mog for his cable company and he wouldn't pay the ungodly costs to fix it cause it was retarded ... so he sold the mog and the guy that bought it spent months trying to find parts ... he ended up getting them from germany and it was HALF the price people where asking here in canada and the us but if u know where cheap parts are then hey send me the info and i will pass it to my friend ... i'm sure he would like to save even more money

[SJKrawler]

Here's a start:
http://www.exaxt.ca/axle.asp

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by SJKrawler
Here's a start:
http://www.exaxt.ca/axle.asp

Yeah, a short start :

Parts & Pricing:
EX-101 - Drum brake 404 steering axle with pinion conversion
$call
$call
EX-111 - Drum brake 404 rear non-steering axle with pinion conversion
$call
$call



hahahahahaha.... :yike

[off_your_rocker]

killeraxle.com will give you all the info on parts. they also have some cool rigs on mog axles. as for weight the don't weigh much more than a 60. why do you need gears lockers and the bearings are so big if they are in a zuk when would one go. you might need seals and exxact has them. throw on a pinion brakesome 15 inch rims with a mog pattern and some cross over steering or hydraulic!

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by off_your_rocker
killeraxle.com will give you all the info on parts. they also have some cool rigs on mog axles. as for weight the don't weigh much more than a 60. why do you need gears lockers and the bearings are so big if they are in a zuk when would one go. you might need seals and exxact has them. throw on a pinion brakesome 15 inch rims with a mog pattern and some cross over steering or hydraulic!

Great, today's thursday and where goin away friday night to wheel the weekend. Can killeraxle.com get you that seal by friday ? I didnt think so. Im sure someone I know has a dana60 pinion seal sittin on the shelf. Where's my phone book. I'll be ready friday afternoon. Call me when you get the mog parts in. (dont mean to be a fawker but thats how it would go down :D )

[off_your_rocker]

what your hung up on your d60? here let me pull you out. its all in what u perfer:beer:

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by off_your_rocker
what your hung up on your d60? here let me pull you out. its all in what u perfer:beer:

Correct you are....... personal preferance rules. But knowing the contacts Sarge has, Im sure d60's would be much easier for him to attain, maintain and enjoy. I love the portals but with me, availability is a MAJOR issue. A friend of mine had a Husqvarna 430. Killer machine. Took him forever to get parts tho. The bike sat still more than it ran and just for stupid lil things. Took me 3 days to get a rear main seal here for a 1.6 and that pissed me off plenty. Im just thinkin realistically here. :D

[TheSarg]

Wow, this thread is going and going and going, kinda like a Zook on D60's. I think i've decided on a narrowed reverse cut big bearing 9in rear, and a narrowed D44 front. This setup will allow me to attain my goals without breaking the bank, allowing more cash for other areas, like on-board air/shower/welder and custom fuel cell. I'm still however tempted by the D60's but at what point do you stop thowing cash at only one component of yer truck? I'm pretty easy on the skinny pedal (dispute that i dare ya) and think breakage will be a lower issue if i take my time on each component assuring structural integrety.

Anyways, it's gunna be one hell of a winter of building, cant wait to see what spring has in store. Good thing the lil Camo Zuk will always be around, otherwise i'd be a webwheeler till its done lol.


cheers to those of you who inputted relavent suggestions :beer:

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by TheSarg
I think i've decided on a narrowed reverse cut big bearing 9in rear, and a narrowed D44 front.

Why narrowed ? Heres why I ask :

1. Wide stance rocks.

2. Narrowing is alot of work and money.

3. As soon as you narrow your axles, the wrecking yard is no good to ya, this means buying a custom axle for a spare or go without a spare. Call it bullit proof and you'll break an axle. Kinda like fukd if you do and fukd if you dont.

[TheSarg]

Actually its cause i fell into a set thats already narrowed and reversed with spare axles, otherwise yer rite tooo damn expensive, gotta love horse trading

[MuddMachine]

With what gears ? Locker ? And finally....... how much ?

Oh, and is the d44 r-cut ? If not they came r-cut for some. Id look into one if yours isnt r-cut

[TheSarg]

4:88, open and like i said, horse tradin, and yes already reverse cut

:yike

[admin]

Originally posted by TheSarg
and yes already reverse cut

:yike

SHAAAWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEET :D

[littlejackass]

is the rev cut out of a bronco? Is the pumpkin even on the passenger side? (fords run on the driverside)