They still dont know Green's is a cake walk

[MuddMachine]

This is some funny shit, man word gets around fast on the net. They even posted a link to a thread here :D :D :D thanx ****kings, I know your lurking ......


http://****kings.ca/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10746


" Can we go to Raglan before we do Greens ? I need some practice"

[drtysuzuk]

for a real treat you should run up the backside.... the wife reeeaaly doesnt like that... something about the trees,the angle ou and its all uphill!!!!

drtysuzuk:yike :yike :yike :yike :yike

[Depot]

Fullload and I did that last year... while on a "commando" style run on greens... i dont think our front tires ever touched the ground on the way up.. what a rush!!!!

i wanna try it in the spring when the river runs down it!!!!


:boot:

Depot

[Silentjim]

Oh the shame, they tried to expose me for being a brand loyalty traitor! Hey guys, if you like soap operas and drama and useless arguments, join www.****kings.com today!

Oh boy, I smell another cut and paste job coming on!

[Silentjim]

Here's a small quote for you to cut and paste so it's not too difficult



All **** owners are just posers


Of course it's not true but I wrote it on a forum, must be true then. The characters are right there on the screen. Silent Jim's a bad man and we should all hate him. :ro

Sorry, just ranting here. I'll have to make the trip up to Minden, Greens, Ardbergh next year when I'll have vacation time and a reliable rig. That damn Yj of my father is in the garage on jackstands every other week lately

[Lucy]

gee that is a whole lotta panties in a twist over there......and over what I've heard **** owner refer to as "rice burners" as they laugh and point........I'd hate to see how upset they get over something they felt threatened by..............:ev:

[Mudslug]

Hey don't they have Peujeot parts in them? Wouldn't that make them Frog leg burners?

[Dirt Monkey]

Mudslug, only two years of Peujeot on **** YJ's then they switched because of reliability issues.

[TheSarg]

Yes, some heeps came with peugeot transmissions, cant remember What 5-speed it was, but the tranny wasnt worth a shit, i had 2 CJ's with them and swapped them rite away..........but thats another story

[off_your_rocker]

the hardest time i ever had at greens was dec. 15 with 6 inches of fresh snow on the ground, now that was a little tricky

[MuddMachine]

Greens has bitten me in the ass a few times. First time I ever went to Greens, the **** guys brought us there. I was running 31s, stock 3.73 gears, no locker, stock suspension. When I hammered thru the 'superbowl' , Uncle Don stood up and said "there you go guys, stock gears, no locker" the guys looked at each other like this : :yike :yike :yike

[Dirt Monkey]

As far as I have heard, Greens is officially closed.

[admin]

Is that hearsay and rumour, or is there something official about it? Cause if it's not posted legally, we'll still be there.

[admin]

I've exhausted all the search engines I know, surfed ATV, 4x4, snowmobile, Ministry and legislation sites and haven't found anything on Greens being closed yet.

If anyone has more info, please let us know.

[off_your_rocker]

a couple of friends of mine have a cottage at the bottom of the mountain and i havn't heard such a thing.

[Mud Lite]

Hey Logan: I havn't heard anything through Northern lights. Was this rumours from Superlift?

[Dirt Monkey]

Actually the Heep Jam. has always included Greens into the mix. They announced to all attendants that Greens Mountain has been closed because the GPS coordinates have been posted all over the net which has increased the amount of people running it. Not only that but a group of people went in there to make new more exciting obstacles by cutting new trails. Because of this it was taken out of the mix and has been officially closed.

There were a bunch of my friends wanting to do it and they were denied. Not sure what is posted or actually official. The guys that run the Jam don't know their head from their ass.

[Mud Lite]

I'll see what I can find out.

[Mud Lite]

Apperantly J33P Jamboree ran Greens on the first weekend. Not sure about the second. So it must be open. If there are no signs, its not closed. Maybe you can have your friend with the cottage varify if anything is posted. If it is not posted by the MNR then it is free game.

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by Dirt Monkey
Not only that but a group of people went in there to make new more exciting obstacles by cutting new trails. Because of this it was taken out of the mix and has been officially closed.


Every time I go to Greens, more and more trees are cut down. It use to be a decent challenge but it's getting easier with less chance of body damage. Now way more 'non equipped' people are willing to run it and thats no good. One day I saw Igor there with a bunch of newbies runnin TJ's and 31's. They winched more than they drove. Nothin against the TJs but if you cant drive thru 80% of the trail under your own power, stay at Raglan.

[Superzuk]

Yeah. Greens is looking more and more like an international superhighway...

Sad really.

Soon ****s will make it up as easily as Zuks did when it was tough...:D

[Dirt Monkey]

You guys make me laugh...

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by Dirt Monkey
You guys make me laugh...

Good :D

Hey DM, first time I went to Greens was with a bunch of the **** boys and a few of my zook buddies. Thats when we were "NewGround". Dr Tom was there as we used to wheel with Doc often. Cherokee Pete, BushPig, and Chris and Igor were also there. That was about 5 years ago. EVERYONE had a tough time as all the tree's were in place. The line was the line and that was that. There were no 'options'. Those days are gone at Greens.... too bad :bawl:

[off_your_rocker]

i'll have to call him tonight because i now that he was doing a trail right up by there this weekend, its realy good in appsley, but he should no whats happening.

[Superzuk]

Come on now... just trying to up the Suzi spirit....


All vehicles have their advantages and disadvantages....

Plus... then there's the drivers... abilities....looseness of the mind... etc..
:ban: :ban: :ban:

[drtysuzuk]

the first time i ever ran greens was 1987 did it..or tried to on a suzuk...230 quad sport it was brutal....ive got a pic somewhere all you can see is the handle bars &rear rack that was on the trail getting to greens.....alot changes over the yrs not all of it for the good:beer:

[Dirt Monkey]

I received a very funny message from an apparently organizer for Heep Jam that I would like to share with you guys for a laugh:


DM: Read your post on zookpower....you couldn't be farther from the truth. Maybe you should show up at a jamb. so you can get your facts straight. PS. for all those poor souls that made the long pilgrammage to Bob. looking to run Green's were probably disappointed to learn that we opened a new trail a few notches tougher than Green's.

A few years ago a project was organized to create the ' London Bypass' more technical, away from wet land. Mind you neighbouring cottagers are getting VERY pissed off.


So apparently Greens IS still open and this guy still doesn't know his head from his ass. The information that I posted stated that it was not official and that I had HEARD about it from someone that attended the Jam.

The good news is that I am getting the GPS coordinates for the Bypass which I will post to you guys later after the long weekend and Greens is still open.

Cheers and have a great long weekend!!!

[MuddMachine]

OK so who are the fawkers cutting all the trees down and makin new trails ? New trails ? They cant get thru Greens without body damage, so they cut trees and then cut a new trail ??? I know you heep boys are readin this and remember.... MNR is gonna keep shutting trails down cuz of assholes cutting trees. I geuss it doesnt matter since you'd all be happy with the jamboree takin place at Raglan :mad:

[Mudslug]

Thats right, and if the hardcore greenies get a hold of it we are all fawked. I can see it now "You are cutting down trees that are the natural habitat for the speckeled beak such and such...we are closing down everything, everywhere and you can't do anything about it because the conservationalists have huge govt backing".

Guys please please please do not change, piss around with, tear up or drive the trails like assholes.....they will get closed!! look at the Pickering Pits!! They closed it because people were being idiots and dumping cars, garbage and tearing the place apart by offroading like freaking animals all the time. And i will tell you one thing right here and right now and you can take it exactly as it is written..If I see one person, ****, Zook, Yota, Nissan or anything cutting or purposly causing damage to a trail or private property I WILL park my rig in their ass...laugh if you want or say "Oh ya try it" ...I WILL do it.

We have to start treating these trails like they treat the Rubicon in the US or the greenies will shut everything down.....trust me the MNR guys are getting sick and tired of fixing damage, pulling garbage and repairing damaged flora.

[Lucy]

Here here!:beer:

[Dirt Monkey]

FYI:

I need three weekends of the Raglan cleanup the fall before last. We moved vehicles, garbage, construction debris and other crap. Not one scrap of it was offroading garbage. The vehicles were joy riders who stole them and torched them and there were a few that came from chop shops. The garbage was industrial waste that you would find in the dump like toilets, old kitchen cupboards.

Don't go blaming the cutting of new paths on Heeps in general as that is just hypocritical. We all know that there are more Heeps offroading then any other vehicle and because of that there are big organizations like the London Area Heep Club. AND because Daimler Chrysler supports their Heep market they support things like the Jambo. I am against the whole Jambo idea but they bring in a lot of cash for the community and business owners in Bob Caygeon.

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by Dirt Monkey


Don't go blaming the cutting of new paths on Heeps in general as that is just hypocritical. We all know that there are more Heeps offroading then any other vehicle and because of that there are big organizations like the London Area Heep Club. AND because Daimler Chrysler supports their Heep market they support things like the Jambo. I am against the whole Jambo idea but they bring in a lot of cash for the community and business owners in Bob Caygeon.

Hey DM, I realize what type of money things like the jambo does for the community. Im also glad that Chrysler donates to the area but rest assured that the snowmobile clubs say that whats donated does not meet the cost of fixing the trails (theyre like that). Im also glad there is ****s period. Without them we would not have alot of the high tech stuff we have for 4x4's. But I dont know whose cuttin trees. Furthermore I believe whoever is cutting trees is a fukn asshole, regardless of what they drive. Im not centering out heeps. Assholes come in all different shapes and sizes and they drive zooks and heeps as well, we all know this. However Im refering more to this quote that you posted and I think it spells it out quite clearly whose cutting down SOME of the trees anyways:


A few years ago a project was organized to create the ' London Bypass' more technical, away from wet land. Mind you neighbouring cottagers are getting VERY pissed off.


We dont need this kinda shit. But doin it behind the MNR's back just gives them more fuel . Its just plain not good.

[Dirt Monkey]

Originally posted by MuddMachine
Hey DM, I realize what type of money things like the jambo does for the community. Im also glad that Chrysler donates to the area but rest assured that the snowmobile clubs say that whats donated does not meet the cost of fixing the trails (theyre like that).

Wasn't talking about the snowmobile clubs. I was talking about the businesses there like good ol' flynns. Ask him how much he makes at the Jambo. The hotels and motels also rack in big during the time. There is strict stipulation now by MNR on exactly how the trails can be left. They have a LARGE deposit that has been to be in place before the event and it isn't given back until inspection has been done. I am all in favor of that since years ago the trails were torn apart.



But I dont know whose cuttin trees. Furthermore I believe whoever is cutting trees is a fukn asshole, regardless of what they drive. Im not centering out heeps. Assholes come in all different shapes and sizes and they drive zooks and heeps as well, we all know this.

:beer:



However Im refering more to this quote that you posted and I think it spells it out quite clearly whose cutting down SOME of the trees anyways:
A few years ago a project was organized to create the ' London Bypass' more technical, away from wet land. Mind you neighbouring cottagers are getting VERY pissed off.


I think you have to read into that one a bit to figure it out. My last post was directly related to this. LAJC would be the ones responsible for it which are the same group that runs the Jambo each year. That would be the reason it is called the "London" bypasses.


We dont need this kinda shit. But doin it behind the MNR's back just gives them more fuel . Its just plain not good.

Not sure if it was directly behind their back but I know that they originally did it for the Jambo and they were denied running it and had to make up some crap story about why they couldn't which the story that I posted.

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by Dirt Monkey

I think you have to read into that one a bit to figure it out. My last post was directly related to this. LAJC would be the ones responsible for it which are the same group that runs the Jambo each year. That would be the reason it is called the "London" bypasses.


So are they the ones who cut down a shit load of trees on Greens as well ? Cuz I know there was way more trees wich made the trail kinda "body damage probable" Its a fukn hiway now with all kinds of purdy trucks, a few years back they simply wouldnt run it cuz there was too many trees that did body damage, now everyone comes out of there unscathed.

[Twinkie]

Originally posted by Dirt Monkey
They have a LARGE deposit that has been to be in place before the event and it isn't given back until inspection has been done. I am all in favor of that since years ago the trails were torn apart.


:beer:


We paid the same at SuziCan, that's why we asked that no one tear up the trails or woods. That's $1500 that the OVO would not have gotten back if there had been damage to the trails.
On a good note, the MNR got stuck at Pinion Pass while post running the trails and had to walk out for help... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Never wheel alone, maybe we should put on a safety seminar for them.

[bRuTuS]

Hey guys- sorry to pop in but I wanted to share some of the facts regarding Greens. I'm the VP of LAJOC.

1- the London bypass was created WITH PERMIT ISSUED from the MNR. Done LEGALLY WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE MNR. It's purpose was to increase the difficulty of the trail an to route it around ABUSED wet land that was threatening to get the trail closed a few years ago.
2- we 'LAJOC' aren't the ones cutting down the trees to make the trail easier- we like it the old way, tight. We also aren't responsible for the many new bypasses around tough obstacles.
3- we haven't used the trail in over 4 years for the jambo due to the amount of over use the trail sees and for the amount of controversy surrounding it's use.
4-I don't appreciate DM gossiping about us. stick to the facts. If you want them, I'm a short mail away.
5 Annually we spend MANY HRs with the MNR, snowmobile clubs, ratepayers groups etc... in attempt to keep the peace and KEEP TRAILS OPEN. This is becoming a MUCH more difficult job with all the wreckless wheelers out there.


Great board and community you have here.

Happy wheeling.

Hank

[bRuTuS]

Sorry- too late to edit.
Just wanted to apologize in advance for highjacking the thread any further than it had been.

FYI- Land closure is a VERY real thing in Bobcaygeon or even in Ontario for that fact. The 'bypass' was an attempt to create an option on Green's that was challenging, yet on solid rock, away from an area that was threatening to get the trail closed. (yuppers, this has been a threat on Green's for many years)


Thanks again.

Hank

[Dirt Monkey]

Brutus,

Gossip is something little old ladies do. What we are having here is a decision. :upy: Anything that I gave in my last post is exactly what you strengthened by your post. The London bypass was created by your organization and it was not done behind the back of the MNR. BUT, it is known that the MNR was not in complete agreeance to the extend of modifications to the trails after they were complete. The LAJOC got a big hand slap for that which was a topic of discussion during the meetings I attended with Northern Lights 4x4 Association.

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by bRuTuS
Hey guys- sorry to pop in but I wanted to share some of the facts regarding Greens. I'm the VP of LAJOC.

Dont be sorry, glad to have you here


1- the London bypass was created WITH PERMIT ISSUED from the MNR. Done LEGALLY WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE MNR. It's purpose was to increase the difficulty of the trail an to route it around ABUSED wet land that was threatening to get the trail closed a few years ago.

But if you went beyond what the MNR expected, thats bad. We need not give the MNR more fuel against us wheelers


2- we 'LAJOC' aren't the ones cutting down the trees to make the trail easier- we like it the old way, tight. We also aren't responsible for the many new bypasses around tough obstacles.

There's no proof that you did although thats the word. Whoever did it, it sucks and they should be black balled and stoned.


3- we haven't used the trail in over 4 years for the jambo due to the amount of over use the trail sees and for the amount of controversy surrounding it's use.

Ive been at Greens twice when the jambo was on , only to see some stockers with winches coming down the mountain. Havent these people been told the mountain isnt suited to stock vehicles ? Stockers or 'new vehicle owners' are likely responsible for tree cutting. Why a jambo with a few hundred trucks would be held in such an area is beyond me.


4-I don't appreciate DM gossiping about us. stick to the facts. If you want them, I'm a short mail away.

I dont think DM fed us a bunch of lies, he pretty much tells it like it is. But thats what happens when shit gets passed around in email. It gets contorted. Nevermind the email. If you have facts.... lay them on the line ... please. Thats what a forum is for.


5 Annually we spend MANY HRs with the MNR, snowmobile clubs, ratepayers groups etc... in attempt to keep the peace and KEEP TRAILS OPEN. This is becoming a MUCH more difficult job with all the wreckless wheelers out there.

Snowmobilers arent the easiest to deal with. Problem is they want the trails to themselves year round. Another problem is that there is 300,000 snowmobilers in Ontario. I keep trying to tell people this. They outnumber us tenfold. Scattering the trails with fukn beer bottles and litter is no way to win our battle to keep trails open to us. People who drink on the trail should be stoned. Gettin to the point where Im about to start wheeling alone cuz I aint no fukn babysitter. Not to mention the fact that I dont feel to comfortable with my 6 yr old around and a bunch of assholes with capable rigs drinkin like it was the last supper. And yes people in my group are guilty of this and I in no way approve of it. I say leave the booze at camp or go to the fukn bar if ya wanna drink. Im really losing my patience with this 'alcohol on the trail' shit.



Great board and community you have here.

Happy wheeling.

Hank :D

Thanx for dropping by Hank, please dont be a stranger and help keep us informed. If theres anything I can do to help email me.

Later

[Mud Lite]

I know measure were being taken to form a group in charge off all the trails between 4x4's, snow machines, bikers , hikers, horses and the like. This was shit canned by the government in cuts and being election time. Word is that the OFSC want to work with al the groups to have the trails multi purpose, but does this hand all the trails over to the OFSC? It is all the infighting that gives us all a bad name. The government will get pissed enough that they will shut it all down. It is no good to point your fingers at the ****ers or the Fullsize guys or the snow machines. The more we fight and bicker the worse that it will get.The trees are gone and we can't do much about that now except educate. We need to educate new wheelers in these problems and you will find that it isn't the organized clubs that are doing the damage. Any 4x4 club either be it J33P or other knows of the difficulty in land closures. The MNR want to post run and pre run event trails like a whole in the head. They want nothing to do with this but have no choice in the matter to keep the peice. Organizations like Northern Lights were set up to deal with these problems but I haven't heard anything good of yet about this. There is very little information being sent out regarding these matters, so we can only specualate. Unless you actually catch or see someone cutting a tree, please do not spread any lies or mis truths. we must pull together in these times or we will loose it all. Trails like Pinion pass could be lost easily because we are reckless in its use. We share this trail with many local hunt camps and fishermen, and what we think is good by tearing it all to hell to make it harder , only pisses them off . It won't take much for them to have it shut down for us if the MNR get too many calls. We have to respect the trails, the MNR, local land owners, land users and each other, or there will be no wheeling on Ontario. Both LOJAC and CO have tried to work hard with the MNR and the Buckhorn Clubs to keep trail and communications open. Lets not have them start pointing fingers at the Suzuki guys for ripping up the trails, and bad mouthing the J33PS.

<rant off>

now go out and hug a tree and a J33P owner :ale:

[bRuTuS]

Muddmachine: thanks for the kind words. you sound like a pretty common sense type of wheeler- wish there were more out there that think like you. 10-4 on the booze- party at camp or at the bar.

Muddlite: GREAT rant! prefectly said, I couldn't do any better myself. Sounds like you have a good grip on things also. CO is a very well organized and established group with similar ideals as LAJOC, only thing is we are **** specific, they aren't. I've crossed paths with serveral other clubs on the trail- strange how much more polite organized club members are than the diseased forums that are poluting the bandwidth. (many of which DM has been active with)

Monkey: you're not even worth replying to (I read your PM and got a good laugh at them)
Do you ever wonder why people talk so much about you? You you ever wonder why people that don't even know you want to rip your head off?? I know it's not your fault, you're just misunderstood. Maybe your time would be better spent trying to resurrect '****junkies' than infighting with other wheelers.
We LAJOC followed up with the MNR after the Green's project-they were happy with the work we did- there was NO COMPLAINT to or from the MNR regarding what we did- so go sprew some more of your misguided BS to the uniformed. If you knew more of the history between LAJOC and NL, maybe you would have a clue why we haven't joined yet. (they've been around for how many years and what have they accomplished to date that would make LAJOC want to be apart of NL? We've made several attempts to bridge the gap and have had some very negative replies from previous executive of NL)

<mucho rant off>

I'm always open to discussing facts- NOT FICTION. Get the two straight.

Hank

[Mud Lite]

Hank: welcome to ZookPower. Stick around and give us the polotics of wheeling in ontario. Tell us some history, some facts and maybe the future of wheeling. I know , Like me, you have been around long enough to have seen the evelution , the growth, the struggles and the steps back we have made. What can we do to improve on the sport, to keep it intact for future generations or for even tomorow?

[MuddMachine]

Well I havent been around no where near as long as you both but in the time I have been around (far from a newbie) Ive seen alot and learned alot. Knowing more about the politics of wheeling is something Im always after but information pertaining to it is minimal. Id like to know more and I think alot of people just need to know SOME. Too many look the other way on the subject. Someone said to me "Just dont get involved in the politics" Sure....... then why the fuk did we start zookpower ? Not here to preach politics but if I can do something to keep the trails open, Im all for it :D

[drtysuzuk]

just read the rants, its just like mud-lite says, trail closure is a problem everywhere...we wheel up @harcourt and do use some of the snowmobile trails..no problem heres the problem now.... there is a trail we use to access another area, it goes around the edge of the new golf coarse ..thanks to some of the local cottagers who are too cheap to take their garbage to the dump and acouple of assholes on four wheelers who thought it would be cool to tear up the fairways @greens there is a bright green gate and page wire fence to keep everyone out its only one or two peple in one area but there,s alot of area in ontario!!!
remember the write-up in the toronto star about greens mountain, how much favourable commentary did you here about it... none and its only going to get worse......i also agree with tony about the alcohal on the trail to a point...i did have a couple of beers @ greens but it was after i was parked @ the top..watched the rest of the trucks and picked up5 or 6 empties...i,m also an avid sledder my dad , uncle and good friend all work for the local club they have no issues with wheelers as long as we act responsibly they do have issues with the number of four wheelers @the manner in which they use the trails but thats another story

well i think i,m finished remember, if you carry it in carry it out!!!

:bang: :confused: :bang:

[Fullload]

Well.... after hearing all of this i am also glad that Hank could make it over as well. For some reason i did not bring one beer all weekend. ( thats because i was too sick from the prior thursday night to greens from alcohol) but somehow i ended up with a "fullload" of bottles and cans in the back of my zook. At one point at the superbowl while my ligths were on i stumbled around the side of my truck half blinded by the light and half in the dark i slipped on a bottle and went down. nobody saw that but if they did i would have been laughed at. Why because i slipped on thier bottle. That one went in the back as well inspite of how much i just wanted to heave it as far as i could into the forest.
Apart from selling my soul i would do what ever it takes to keep the trails open. if this means that i have to pay or sacrifice certain things "like alcohol" ( even though i do not drink on the trail. i cannot even walk let alone drive) then so be it. I heard on the radio that the police want to take the drivers lisence of those who drink and boat. why could that not be implemented to those on the trail?
Some people have told me that we sould pay for trail use like the snowmobile clubs. A yearly leasing fee. As much as i would hate that, becuse i already pay for my plate sticker, emissions and heafty yearly insurance to drive on the street, i Would pay for a little reflective sticker if it was to make a difference.

[Depot]

ok.. now i know im gonna step on a whackload of toes here and maybe even alienate a few ppl with my opinins and if so.. too ****in bad. I've read the whining, the bitching and the complaining and even the preatching on this thread so far so here comes my 2 cents.. if u dont want to be offended or insulted.. go away.. dont read my speal any more.

u still here? then u damn well better have something to say back!!!!


From what I've seen of our little community we have 3 types of wheelers... the drinkers - and yeah, thats me and im gonna get into my speal soon enough.. hold on to ur kids..., the smokers - and I aint talkin about players unfiltered! and the hiders - hiders as in i dont know what they do.. drink, smoke, shoot up, nothing at all... whatever... the catch all.. lets call em the normals for lack of a better catagory.

nw i;ve had my differences with all of the above kind and I've had my similarities with em al.. does that gimme the right to preach? **** no but zookpower aint about rights so here goes my speal...

i drink! a Lot sometimes! i even drink when I wheel sometimes and yes sometimes I drink a LOT when i wheel... and the first a**h**e thats gonna say shit to me about drinking and driving.. im gonna come back with "smoking and driving is better????" again, not the players unfiltered kind either!

face it.. the rules of engagement are different out there... crowns land... camping rules with residential privacy clauses at ur campsites... etc etc.

dont get me wrong here... i am by no means defending the ****s out there that zing bottles and cans out there... i for one spend the xtra and bring cans so i can crush em and bag em and take em back home when im done... i sure as **** dont wanna lose a X $ tire over a beer can cause some drunk dope was lazy with his bottles but u can not catagorize us all into one... ****in drunks.. littering the trails with beer cans and bottles... thats like me saying.. ****in 4 wheelers rippin up the trails with their trucks and quads!!!!


no matter what, we are gonna always have that bunch of offraoders that does not respect the trails.. whether they be onion givers of pickle pushers! face it.. thats called life... just like we cant get rid of rapists and murderers... we cant get rid of bad wheelers!!!

so lets stop whining about it.. for ****s sake.. u wanna whine.. take a roll of toilet paper and get lost! u got 2 choices.. pick up after em or ignore it and face the generalized reprocusions!

nw about this MNR shit and closing trails and other abnormal whining about trees and shit...

:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

we done yet???? want more????\

b4 i go on.. muddlite.. no disrespect.. i agree with what ur doing and back u 100% in the way u run ur events and dealings with MNR. this is not about u. this is about all the other peopel that yap and yap and yap on sites about this crap!

SHUT THE FRUCK UP U WHINY BITCHES!!!!!! i heard recently from someone i know, maybe i oerheard it.. no mattter... about ow they saw some chick in some rig ditching trash out the window constatly especially when that rig was stopped in line and a pile accumulated at that spot!!!! PEOPLE!!!!!! if i were to throw my beer can into the woods would u let me get away with it or would u give me grief till i recovered it??? SHUT THE **** UP WITH UR WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!!!!

MNR is a government agency.. they are lazy and stupid - yes i know its a generalization... argue with me later on that one - u want things to change... CHANGE EM!!!! STOP ****IN WHINING.... U SEE THE PPL RUINING UR TRAILS.. GET OFF UR LAZY FAT ASSES AND DO SOMETHING.. OTHERWISE SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!

u want the MNR to stop closing trails.. challenge em!!!!! directly.. do the trail.. get the charge for trespassing and fight it in court!!!!!!! i am sick and tired of hearing so and soo is closed... i can understand if its private property.. but crowns land is crowns land and MNR is not GOD!!!!

ok.. im tired of typing.. i got more shit to to say but will save it for tomm nite... feel free to come back with whatever u got


D for DONT WHINE!!!!

[admin]

Introducing the new poster child for the national "Don't Drink and Post" campaign

[Depot]

yeah, thats it.. brush it off.. Depot must be drunk again... ignore him..

whatever... i said my piece... got something constructive to say back.. i'll read it


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[Superzuk]

Well, this isn't really aimed at anyone in general, but here's my piece.

1st off, as for trash, all trash is trash. So, that includes cigarette butts, beer bottles, chip bags, etc. Most people have been guilty of littering at some time or another, so, let's all think about what we do. Sometimes you might litter accidentally, or without noticing... an empty bag of chips flying out the windows, a water bottle floating away in a pond, a cigarette butt tossed out the window out of habit, or dropped and stomped on, a piece of paper falling out after a roll over, the list goes on and on.

The only way to eliminate this is to be conscious all the time, and to remind people when they do it themselves, because as I said, they may not realize it.

BTW, I cleaned stuff from the previous campers at our site and brought it to the dump down the road from Green's, also, funny enough, I did not drink one beer all weekend, yet my truck and site had many beers on the ground/in it. (Jamie and I had Vodka and Rum)

Oh yeah, just on a side note, when going to the dump I got some pictures of me and Jamie next to a Black bear... anyone want to see it???

Now as for drinking/smoking before or while you're on the trail. Well, my concern with this is that someone might get hurt. It might be you, or even worse, you might hurt someone else or their kids / dogs. That should be enough to be worried about let alone the MNR. You might hurt your friends if you're not reasonable, then next time you might be wheeling alone. Think about that.

So, as a final note, BE RESPECTFUL and BE REASONABLE. Whether it means trying an obstacle only a couple times so you don't ruin it for everyone else to slowing down a little when others are nearby, to being reasonable in any other way possible.

Let's keep the trails open for Everyone!!! :D :D

[Mud Lite]

I agree totally. Best way to try to make a point is to have a clean up. Call the local papers, greenies, locals, radio and TV and go to Greens and clean it up. OVO has pulled 75 TONS of garbage ( YES 75 TONS !!!!!!!) in 3 years out of a local forest. This included shinges, tires, cars, washing machines, beer bottles and the like.
Show the wheeling cominuity the ZookPower is on the right track and isn't just a bunch of winney, fingerpointing, drunkin, trail rippin wheelers. Get you voice heard in print. make it know that we are pissed off at the people that do this. But don't point a finger unless you saw that person drop that beer bottle.

Depot: there is a better way to stop beer bottles and cans from being tossed on the trails. Don't bring them. I am not going to start to preach to you about how drinking on the trails is bad. I will leave that up to your close friends. But think of how it looks to others? How kids that may look up to you think that this is cool, How the public sees this sport. We have been trying to get the "Red Neck" attitude of this sport off the faces of Joe public for a long time, and drinking is one of the key factors in these attitudes. Save it for camp. I know you well enough that your sobber is higher than most peoples drunk :beer:

[Depot]

Originally posted by Mud Lite
But think of how it looks to others? How kids that may look up to you think that this is cool, How the public sees this sport. We have been trying to get the "Red Neck" attitude of this sport off the faces of Joe public for a long time, and drinking is one of the key factors in these attitudes. Save it for camp.

U know, i agree with what ur saying believe it or not and Mudusa makes my point for me in spades (on that other post). its not about the drinking.. u cant sit there and say if we stopped drinking on the trails, there would be no garbage or there would be no irresponsible behaviour. u tell me whats worse in the eyes of joe public? seing guys riding around their mini-monster trucks chuging back on beers and coolers etc or watchin em smoking on a big hoagie? my speal isnt about defending drinking or saying a few is ok but a lot is not. Im not gonna preach - my speal here is about all the whining and how it all gets pointed back to the drinkers - and that just pisses me off since i am a drinker and not a smoker or other.

sure drinkers are the ones bringing the cans and bottles, and smokers are bringing in the filters and roaches but whos bringing everything else including the shingles????

If u see something happen, do something about it.. dont jsut sit there and whine... if u see a beer can float outta the back of my truck as i go swimming, tell me so i can get it but please, lets stop the finger pointing and the whining.

Zookpower - lets organize a clean up day - thats a wicked idea.. my dually is up for that - lets do shit and not yap about it


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