Another SuziCan Poll

[Mud Lite]

Well lets try another one:

[Mud Lite]

15 views and 3 votes?

[Lost Soul]

15 views and 3 votes?

I have not been to any of these, so it would not be fare for me to vote, it would be biased on Distance from me.

[GearHead]

I'm a little biased but i just like ardbeg if we can get a large enough camping area. I'm willing to scout some areas and do a little leg work in the area since my inlaws live the summer in Dunchurch (look it up you will see why i am biased).

later
steve

[screech]

Minden is the only area I know ,there is a camp ground in minden that Camp Northern Lights is held at each year .last year they had 125 trucks alone at the park

[Lucy]

For me Minden or Ardbeg are good , both are nice areas and the traveling distance for me is alot more comfortable.

[longy442]

Yup, Ardbag is closest for me, that would cut my driving time to Suzican in half. And I hear there is some great trails. Alot more work for John as it is farther for him to go to plan. I think its great he is willing to look at other locales and spred it around a bit. I see Sudbury isn't on the list, its a little farther again, but i must make it up there to wheel next year.

[Grumpy]

Why don't you replace "Bancroft", (since no one is voting for it), with Don't Matter Where, I'm Going :thefinger

grumpy

P.S. in case you've missed something I just said.....I don't care where it is......I'm going!! Time to get off the fence John and make a decision!!

[Mud Lite]

..... Time to get off the fence John and make a decision!!

Has nothing to do with being on the fence. If it was I would have made it Chertsey and then what? Loose 1/2 the crowd!!! SuziCan is about getting together as many Zuk owners as possible.

Sudbury isn't on the list as Tony has said he is looking at 2007 to host it. Bancroft was between Calbogie and Minden.

I wouldn't mind hearing more about Ardbeg. Number of trails, level, distance for gas, accomodations, who the MNR district is, where the nearest Shitter rental is. I will also be looking for Trail guides.

[GearHead]

ok
Ardbeg
See attached map.
lots of trails, if you don't want road travel them some of them are one way then return, not loops. They is enought stuff to get into trouble just outside that main camp area.
I'll get you some info on accomodations and rental of the little blue houses.
Also local stuff
Parry sound - gas, food, canadain tire, various other stores and restarants.
McKeller - gas, some food

MNR - name on the letter re: camping was

Andy Heerschap
Area Supervisor
Parry Sound Area

Phone - 705 746 4201
Fax - 705 746 8828

7 Bay Street
Parry Sound, On
P2A 1S4

See the letter http://suzitrails.ca/modules.php?set_albumName=album30&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

from the suzitrails site

[Superzuk]

Minden is a great area, although all I've wheeled out there is Greens... which isn't exactly right there....
There are plenty of places, just depends on what will get the most turn out I guess. It sucks though if you are on one of the extreme opposite edges of any of these places... So far I've been lucky, so I guess either or would be fine to me....
Only one question about Ardberg... Many people that go to Suzican aren't hardcore. What does Ardberg have for them to wheel?

[Mud Lite]

Minden is a great area, although all I've wheeled out there is Greens... which isn't exactly right there....
There are plenty of places, just depends on what will get the most turn out I guess. It sucks though if you are on one of the extreme opposite edges of any of these places... So far I've been lucky, so I guess either or would be fine to me....
Only one question about Ardberg... Many people that go to Suzican aren't hardcore. What does Ardberg have for them to wheel?

I don't think there is a problem finding light to medium trails anywhere at these locations. We definatley have to keep numbers down on the trail rides as 25-30 trucks doing the Quinn was crazy!! we will need three trail rides per day with a varrying difficulty. The main issue with Minden is the proximity of the trails to the camping area. Alot of the vehicles that show up to SuziCan are not street legal and it sucks to have to trailer things every day back and forth to the trail head.

[BIGZOOK69]

john that is true,bout the traveling between campgrounds and trails in minden..from meeting area's to trails.15 mins.could be bad if o.p.p decide to crack the whip on us..

[MuddMachine]

Plus Minden trails are kinda lame. :(

[BIGZOOK69]

is greens not a option anymore?

[DannyL]

If it was I would have made it Chertsey and then what?.


Then in less than 2 hours I'm THERE!!!!!!!!!


:D

[MuddMachine]

is greens not a option anymore?

Ever been to Greens July long weekend???

:yike

[OzzieL]

Hey All,

I don't know any of the areas execpt Calabogie. But after a short review of the map, I can say that, because of time constraints, I doubt I would make the 8-hour trip to Ardbeg (more like 10), or the 6.5-hour trip to Minden (more like 8) or even 5.5-hours to Bancroft (more like 7) would be posible for me for 2006. Next year (2007) might be different.

Calabogie is 3.5-hours and usually take more like 4.5 with the Dan in the motorhome and me towing my Zuk.

Chertsy would be WONDERFUL for me. There are trails for every level and every style. Unlike Calabogie, the trails are lose to base camp. I understand that there might be some peolpe who would not make the trip, but I could eaisly round up enough people here to make up for the loss. Some of which have already been to Suzican, but find it far to go EVERY year. Some that would love to come if it were closer. I might even con some Americans into coming! :D

John, you know I will be there if I can no matter where it is, but changing the venue will be a challenge no matter what. Chertsy would be 3-hours from Ottawa. Make the sacrifice once guys, you won't regret it.

Thanks for listening,

Oz

[TheSarg]

Been there twice, too much of a hike for me, calabogies great and all, and its real nice sittin by the fire with some of you...but not at the expense of a 10+ hour trip, and ill be daaammmmmed if ill ever do it again drivin a zook!

I'll just do the non-sanctioned runs ;)

[MuddMachine]

First year we went to Suzican it took us 9 hours !!!

Since Suzican has started alot of us have been doing the 5 - 10 hour drive. ML talks about moving the location and everyone who has to drive more than 1.5 hours cry like the world has ended. Suck it up!

[Lucy]

First year we went to Suzican it took us 9 hours !!!

Since Suzican has started alot of us have been doing the 5 - 10 hour drive. ML talks about moving the location and everyone who has to drive more than 1.5 hours cry like the world has ended. Suck it up!


Damn straight!!

[89xj]

i wouldnt have any problem with a long drive. i'm just west of toronto. i seems like its a good time and that it would be worth the drive. ive also never been to ANY of the locations mentioned, im in as long as theres a variety of trails.

[Grumpy]

everyone who has to drive more than 1.5 hours cry like the world has ended.

Hey Mudd, there are some of us O-town boyz who are willing and able to make the trek to wherever Suzican will be. One thing people may not realize is the amount of volunteer work that goes into this event, and since it's inception, certain members of OVO have given of their time to put the event on. No matter where John decides to hold Suzican for 2006, 2007 and beyond, he can put money on the fact that there will be Ottawa boys helping out, whether it be in Ardbeg, Minden or even Sudbury. Some here may whine but there is no way to please everyone........I think John would like to have Suzican appearing at different locations so people from different parts of the province can join in plus he will put on a kick-ass event no matter where it is and if guys miss it because of distance, that's too bad for them. I'm not trying to piss anyone off but I'll make no applogies for my point of view.

grumpy

[longy442]

Ya I've already made the 8 to 10 hour drive two years now, and if need be I'll continue to make it. But the 5-6 to central Ontario sure would be a nice change. Lets spread the love around. Give everyone the chance to enjoy a bit longer time at Suzican rather than getting to it.

Or what ever, I'll be there.

[MuddMachine]

Good point Grumpy and I know where you're coming from. Thats why I was negative on a Sudbury run. Sure I can entertain a few trucks but as of right now I dont have trails and campgrounds mapped out for 55 trucks let alone accessability factors and all that stuff. Alot of people have to drive more than 2 hours some from this side, some from that side and you're right, you wont please everyone. And thats why I say, "suck it up".

[Big-block-Sami]

Any location with rocks is great. We don't have any rocks around here, well, except for the huge ones down at the harbour and for some crazy reason they frown on that! But the tourAss (tourists ) love it !
I may Just be a Spotter, but Just name the place.
BBS

[Depot]

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Geezuz.. i cant believe there are soo many ppl whining about a long drive to suzican! its once a flippin year people!!! make the trip u lazy fkers!!!!

personally, im tired of Calabogie and would love a new venue. PQ is outta the question for me for 2 reasons, i hate that province and neither me or my vehicles are allowed there no more. So anywhere else, Im in.

my 2 cents

D

[MudHog_jr]

For those of you who have never been to Ardbeg before, take a quick click over to www.webshots.com and do a search for "ardbeg". It will come up with 27pages of results and I would have to say that about 25pages of which are of the Ardbeg trail itself. This will give you a great Idea of what kind of terain is avalible if you guys do end up holding your big event there!

[vanbdan]

Hey these pics look familiar:question: One is from the above link,and two is Fullload.

van:hubba:

[vanbdan]

I sure remember that climb,Depot introduced me to the rock on the right at the top of the steps,and i think MuddMachine walked it!.

van:hubba:

[Mud Lite]

How many trails are in Ardbeg? Are there two of each level? Can hardcore guys spend two days wheeling and not hit the same trail twice? Are there enough medium and light trails to not bore the new comers? Pictures are all good , but can someone lay out the trails on a topo map or give me a list of names and aprox duration to run them?

[GearHead]

I'll scan my topo maps ans see if i can work them into something i can post here.

in a nut shell there is one main trail. It follows the hydro line but it is quite long. The main camp near the "town" of ardbeg is on black lake. It is in about the middle of the trail.

IF you head south you will eventualy cross hwy 124, if you head north you can hit the magnetawan river.
There are sidetrails but i do not know the names of them. Not to many loops but there is lots to play on under the hydro lines. The nice thing is that stock trucks and super mods could almost use the same trials and the super mods cold play on all the tought stuff and the stockers could stay to the trial.
You can easaly spend the day on the south trail and not play on the same rocks twice. I have driven the length from hwy124 to black lake in a small group not stopping to much to play. it too all day, a long day.
I'm sure that there is enought in the area to host suzican. Back in the day......long weekend of say ten years ago you would see hundreds of trucks in this area.

I'm sure that in the summer we could find enought people to scout the area and help play runs.
Ardbeg is 5 hours by suzuki from my house but only 45min from my inlaws house

later
steve

later
steve

[MudHog_jr]

Hey these pics look familiar:question: One is from the above link,and two is Fullload.



yup that is a really nice little climb. it seems to be a popular spot to take pics at! someone out there has a good pic of me climbing it but of cource I never got to see the pic (nor do I know the guy who was snapping the pictures) I wish I did because I would really like a copy. I guess I will just have to do it again and make sure someone I know has the camera ready :D

[MudHog_jr]

IF you head south you will eventualy cross hwy 124, if you head north you can hit the magnetawan river.

you can cross the magnetawan river and continue north for quite a ways before coming to a lake which I have never seen anyone cross or go around. although that far north end of the trail is not used to often and is getting very grown in.



There are sidetrails but i do not know the names of them. Not to many loops but there is lots to play on under the hydro lines. The nice thing is that stock trucks and super mods could almost use the same trials and the super mods cold play on all the tought stuff and the stockers could stay to the trial.


This is very true and one of the reasons that Ardbeg is such a fun destonation. most all the harder terain is compeatly optional so fully modified rigs can tour with bone stock vehicles and everyone still gets to have a great time!



You can easaly spend the day on the south trail and not play on the same rocks twice. I have driven the length from hwy124 to black lake in a small group not stopping to much to play. it took all day, a long day.
I'm sure that there is enought in the area to host suzican. Back in the day......long weekend of say ten years ago you would see hundreds of trucks in this area.


going from black lake to the magnetawan is compairable to going from 124 to blacklake. It can quickly burn up a day of wheeling. so those 2 peices of trail alone take a good 2 days to drive without stopping to play to often, so I would have to think that there is more then enough trail to keep everybody happy.

Hey GearHead I was one of the guys from back in the day when more then 100 trucks would show up on long weekends. Maybe we have met before??
do you ever remember seeing a 69 green f100 on 44inch ground howgs and the plates MudHog on it????? :cool:

[GearHead]

yep its possible we met back in the day.
I dont remember the truck specificaly but there were so many trucks with 38"s and 44's, me i was there in the same truck i have today, green steeltop zook on 31's. Zooks were not that popular back then so if you saw a group of them (like 8-10) pass thru the camp it was most likely the SOSC, southern ontario samurai club.. and i would have been amung them.

We used to camp one lake to the north, I call it the flat rock camp site but others have different names for it. I got there early one year and made a table from one of that large slabs of rock......got to love the hi-lift jack.



later
steve

[Lost Soul]

Two things, that place looks great, mix of both Rock and mud, and WOW this little dude does not give up!

http://image28.webshots.com/29/4/32/71/357543271aIPEnc_ph.jpg

Gets towed out of alot, but hey atleast he tries again.

[MudHog_jr]

well I can't get your link you left to work, but I am willing to bet it was a link to one of the pics of my freind john in his Bronco II from our may 24 tour.

I just noticed that the last album I uploaded doesn't show up in the search engine yet, so you can find some more pics on my account directly at http://community.webshots.com/user/mudhog_1

[DannyL]

So John what's it gonna be????

Do you have a date you will choose by or something?

Worst case it'll be in Calabogie again?

Hurry up I might need a PASSPORT to get out of Queerbec!!!!!!!!:rant:


Tic Toc Tic Toc :D

[Mud Lite]

What's the rush? I will let you know in the Spring to give you French men enough time to get there. If you leave by May, you shouls be in Ardbeg by July. I guess this brings up another Poll question. What date? If we can't have it on the long weekend, do we move it up or back? Are there any other Events around then that muck it up. I know we don't get alot of US content as the Melt is usually July 10th weekend. Do we make it 3rd week in June?

I would like to make a run to Ardbeg in early Spring before my final decison on location.

[Lucy]

What's the rush? I will let you know in the Spring to give you French men enough time to get there. If you leave by May, you shouls be in Ardbeg by July. I guess this brings up another Poll question. What date? If we can't have it on the long weekend, do we move it up or back? Are there any other Events around then that muck it up. I know we don't get alot of US content as the Melt is usually July 10th weekend. Do we make it 3rd week in June?

I would like to make a run to Ardbeg in early Spring before my final decison on location.


Personally I would thinking moving it back would be better. It would get you a wee bit more time to get organized ,it would also give those of us without the deep pockets more time to fix anything we broke and get our crap together after May 24. Less excuses for not showing ,possibly a better turn out?......last but not least there would be less whining from the nancies about the bugs.

Just my 2 cents;)

[MudHog_jr]

I would like to make a run to Ardbeg in early Spring before my final decison on location.

well as long as I am free on the weekend you decide to go and check it out, I would be glad to show you around the place if you would like. I have been there many times and know the place fairly well.

[Fullload]

The NTTI event is on the 12th of june. 1 weekend after would be tight.

[Mud Lite]

The NTTI event is on the 12th of june. 1 weekend after would be tight.

NTTI?

[Canadian_zuk]

NTTI?

NHTTI

North Hastings Tough Truck Invitational

[Bart48]

I've been to Ardbeg and Minden, both have their advantages. I've been to 2 Suzican's, and drove from Windsor. I don't care where the next one is going to be held, I'll be there.

[Canadian_zuk]

How many of you guys have run the Lingham Lake Hydro Coridor? This is a great trail with more than enough room for everyone. Lots o rocks, mud, water and every combination of all three. About half way between Callibogie & Kaladar. Actually closer to Kaladar. I'll try to find some pics.

[Mud Lite]

How many of you guys have run the Lingham Lake Hydro Coridor? This is a great trail with more than enough room for everyone. Lots o rocks, mud, water and every combination of all three. About half way between Callibogie & Kaladar. Actually closer to Kaladar. I'll try to find some pics.

But what do we do for the other days? Will one trail do it for everyone? Is there camping in the area for 50 trucks? Is the area acessable by camper and trailers? Isn't this where Al's guys ran into trouble with plated vehicles by the Trail Police?

[Canadian_zuk]

But what do we do for the other days? Will one trail do it for everyone? Is there camping in the area for 50 trucks? Is the area acessable by camper and trailers? Isn't this where Al's guys ran into trouble with plated vehicles by the Trail Police?


It takes about 5 hours to drive from hwy 41 to hwy 62 along the hydro line. There are also many, many off shoot trails, including the actual trail into Lingham lake, which is a heavily rutted, up-hill, deep mud run. Snorkels are needed for alot of the smaller trails. There is tonnes of room on the Hwy 62 side for camping, trailers, etc. As for trail police, I've heard of a few guys getting tickets, but they were without insurance or any form of plates (regular or green).

[Lucy]

As for trail police, I've heard of a few guys getting tickets, but they were without insurance or any form of plates (regular or green).

Don't mean to be a poop here , but if they are nickin guys for no insurance then all the buggy guys could get screwed plated or not, would make a nice mess of a great weekend

[Canadian_zuk]

Don't mean to be a poop here , but if they are nickin guys for no insurance then all the buggy guys could get screwed plated or not, would make a nice mess of a great weekend

There is no difference if it's there or in Calibogie. If your driving illegally, you deserve to be burned. Insurance is mandatory, period.

[Lucy]

There is no difference if it's there or in Calibogie. If your driving illegally, you deserve to be burned. Insurance is mandatory, period.


I totally agree when you talking about some idiot driving on the road with no insurance , but not when you talking about guys towing buggies to trail heads and getting told they have to have insurance that no one will sell them!

[Canadian_zuk]

I totally agree when you talking about some idiot driving on the road with no insurance , but not when you talking about guys towing buggies to trail heads and getting told they have to have insurance that no one will sell them!

It's unfortunate yes, but unless your on private property, you must have at the bare minimum liability insurance. This is where it is in their best interest to join a club that offers blanket coverage for it's members. What happens when one of these uninsured buggies runs down a family on the Calibogie trail after a brake failure? Is it alright because he wasn't on a serviced roadway? And before I get the flames on this one, I see more family wagons and dog walkers on that section of trail than any other trail in the area. It is a very poular spot.

P.S. I know you don't think it's alright to run the family down, just makin a point.

[Lucy]

It's unfortunate yes, but unless your on private property, you must have at the bare minimum liability insurance. This is where it is in their best interest to join a club that offers blanket coverage for it's members. What happens when one of these uninsured buggies runs down a family on the Calibogie trail after a brake failure? Is it alright because he wasn't on a serviced roadway? And before I get the flames on this one, I see more family wagons and dog walkers on that section of trail than any other trail in the area. It is a very poular spot.

P.S. I know you don't think it's alright to run the family down, just makin a point.

Well I agree with you that buggies should have insurance required by law , but as we know we are told "you have to have it! but no we wont provide it". SO basically my point is this fight still needs to be fought and until we fight it out and get the required coverage we should avoid having a bunch of uninsured buggies in an area known for nicking guys. No it's not ok for a buggy or any other 4wd to run down a family , but if some guys is stupid enough to do that having proper insurance will not stop it from happening . It just means he will get his ass sued off with no protection , so he looses his house , cars ect. Bottom line till we get the insurance issue figured out we need to avoid as much hassle as possible, and insured or not don't drive like a drunk monkey!

[Mud Lite]

It's unfortunate yes, but unless your on private property, you must have at the bare minimum liability insurance. This is where it is in their best interest to join a club that offers blanket coverage for it's members. What happens when one of these uninsured buggies runs down a family on the Calibogie trail after a brake failure? Is it alright because he wasn't on a serviced roadway? And before I get the flames on this one, I see more family wagons and dog walkers on that section of trail than any other trail in the area. It is a very poular spot.

P.S. I know you don't think it's alright to run the family down, just makin a point.

We carry 2million liability through Upper Canada 4WD Assoc. But do the OPP see this as proper coverage? Or are they looking for plated vehicles too? I was hoping that the fight would have been fought when Al's guys got the tickets, but they all opted out.

I am thinking rotating through the 3 locations: Calibogie, Ardbeg and Chertsey. I know we will loose some people if we go to Quebec, but that is thier lose. The trails are great there!!!! I will just have to brush up on my :roll: french. We have the approval to do it now , so do we do it this year or next? This is a GREAT spot. I will make my decision soon. I don't understand people that will travel to NS, but won't make it to Qc. Use another tow rig if your so worried!!!:bringiton

[Canadian_zuk]

We carry 2million liability through Upper Canada 4WD Assoc. But do the OPP see this as proper coverage? Or are they looking for plated vehicles too? I was hoping that the fight would have been fought when Al's guys got the tickets, but they all opted out.

That's a shame. It would have been great peace of mind for those that are on the fence if these guys had chalenged the tickets and won.

[Fullload]

I don't understand people that will travel to NS, but won't make it to Qc. Use another tow rig if your so worried!!!:bringiton

If you owned a 60,000 1 TON a depot asked if he could borrow it and tow his 24 foot car hauler would you? We can get past the trailer issue as i would register it as homemade and plate it in my name.
I will have my own tow rig and trailer to drive in Que. but then what does depot do?
The only way it will work is his trailer in my name, and me driving whatever loaned vehicle we can find to tow 2 trucks. And to put his 1 ton in my name for 1 weekend is not worth $ 4500.00 in taxes ( based on a value of $30.000) and safety and an e-test.

[Depot]

to make a long story short.. i aint allowed to drive in PQ nor are any vehicles that are registered in my name allowed there. I am perfectly content avoiding PQ for the rest of life as I never did like much in that province anyways and I sure as hell aint gonna pay em thousands of dollars for 1 stupid ass ticket from 12 years ago.. So if Suzican moves to PQ for some year, unless i can find someone to pull my 24 foot trailer (with alternate plates) with a truck of their own, guess i'll just miss that yr suzican...

at least that way Mudpig stands a chance of winning bonehead award himself!:brows: :brows: :brows:

D

[MuddMachine]

It's unfortunate yes, but unless your on private property, you must have at the bare minimum liability insurance. This is where it is in their best interest to join a club that offers blanket coverage for it's members.

Blanket coverage doesnt work 'yet'. Obviously you havent been following up on any posts about insurance over the past year or you would know this.

Lets get back on topic here, this is NOT an insurance thread. It's about SUZICAN.

EDIT: ML, the guys go out east, yes, for a week tho. Long weekend in Quebec means a long drive to get there and then packin up on the third day to come home, likely an 8 to 10 hour drive on that weekend.

[Fullload]

Blanket coverage doesnt work 'yet'. Obviously you havent been following up on any posts about insurance over the past year or you would know this.

Lets get back on topic here, this is NOT an insurance thread. It's about SUZICAN.

EDIT: ML, the guys go out east, yes, for a week tho. Long weekend in Quebec means a long drive to get there and then packin up on the third day to come home, likely an 8 to 10 hour drive on that weekend.


Nice try mudd but that won't hold water in ML's books. The last time we went to N.S it was a total 41/2 day trip there and back and we wheeled friday saturdat and sunday then left to drive back sunday afternoon. But that will never be attempted again.
We also drove 8-10 hours to paragon in a long weekend scenario as well which would equate top what we would endure for suzican in Chertsey Que.

The big problem is the law, and depots failure to comply to them.
Diving 6 hours is no prb. It's the 2-3 hours sitting in traffic just outside T.O that hurts the most.

[Canadian_zuk]

Blanket coverage doesnt work 'yet'. Obviously you havent been following up on any posts about insurance over the past year or you would know this.

Lets get back on topic here, this is NOT an insurance thread. It's about SUZICAN.


Your right, I have not been following up on any posts about insurance over the past year, I have no need or interest to, all my vehicles are legally plated and insured.;)

BTW: I thought this was Mudlite's thread, he was the one that got us on the insurance topic, and how it relates to SUZICAN location choices.

[Fullload]

all my vehicles are legally plated and insured.

.


Hows your E-brake and frame patches that were "legally and safetly welded" to the frame? That is illegal. safe? maybe but illegal. That welded front bumper and 8274 is a modification to the vehicle after you were insured legally.
If you get into an accident and kill somebody with this bumper your insurance will not cover you with the explaination that there were mods done without thier knowledge, therefore you should have been paying a higher premium and it is fraud, and no insurance will be paid out.
I weighed my options and said i can pay $2000.00 a year for my modified zuk and drive it to the trail and pussy foot where i wanna go hard knowing thats my only way home. I bought a trailer and tow my Zuk. I pay insurance for the tow rig and the trailer so i can play as hard as i want.
I have been wheeling for 5 years now and only once insured my zook for the road. It was SPOA and 31's with 4.62's. Then i found out insurance is null and void if i get into a collision due to the add on's and new structure of the vehicle.
The Maximum fine for not having valid insurance is $5000.00 If i insured my zook for the last 5 i have been wheeling thats $10.000 for insurance that will not insure me on or offroad ( If your vehicle is drivin in a dangerous manner you will not be covered) thats from my broker himself.
If i get caught without insurance and lose the fight ( iv'e got depot in my corner and more than likely he will be nailed with me or because of him i'll get nailed, anyway) It's maximum of $5000.00 and i'll still be up.

I'm not the best mathmatician in the world but a tow rig and trailer sure beats an insurance policy thats null and void to keep one officer happy and that will be the least of your worries when he see's stuff like welded steering arms and frame plates.

[Canadian_zuk]

Wow, that was a mouthful. You took my statement out of context. The subject was on "trail cops" nabbin people for not havin insurance or plates. As far as any cop is concerened, I have a valid insurane slip and valid, stickered plates.

As for the rest, I'll cross that bridge when or if I ever get there.

[Depot]

CZ, dont be too sure of urself.... sure i coulda registered and insured my rig as an 88.5 sammy knowing full well that its null and void but then imagine the trail opp guy when he checks me out.. u just know hes gonna call my insurance company up first thing monday morning and verify the validity of my ins and once he tells em what he saw not only do I lose my fake papers but I can still be charged for not having insurance since i fraudulantly obtained it the first time around.

In case u dont think its possible.. its happened to me twice already in my celica. Apparently they do have the rite to contact ur ins co and verify that pink slip u hand em.

l8r

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[Canadian_zuk]

CZ, dont be too sure of urself.... sure i coulda registered and insured my rig as an 88.5 sammy knowing full well that its null and void but then imagine the trail opp guy when he checks me out.. u just know hes gonna call my insurance company up first thing monday morning and verify the validity of my ins and once he tells em what he saw not only do I lose my fake papers but I can still be charged for not having insurance since i fraudulantly obtained it the first time around.

In case u dont think its possible.. its happened to me twice already in my celica. Apparently they do have the rite to contact ur ins co and verify that pink slip u hand em.

l8r
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I don't think my Sami is in the same league as yours.
The 87 Sami is registered and insured as an 87 Sami & The Toy is registered and insured as a Toyota. Seeing as my Mother-in-law is my agent, and knows both vehicles well, I assume I'm good. But in light of this thread, I will be calling head office on Monday to tell them they are lifted with larger than stock tires and aftermarket bumpers. I'll let you know then what they say.

-CZ

[Fullload]

I don't think my Sami is in the same league as yours.
The 87 Sami is registered and insured as an 87 Sami & The Toy is registered and insured as a Toyota. Seeing as my Mother-in-law is my agent, and knows both vehicles well, I assume I'm good. But in light of this thread, I will be calling head office on Monday to tell them they are lifted with larger than stock tires and aftermarket bumpers. I'll let you know then what they say.

-CZ



I await in anticipation of you next reply but your broker doesn't care and since your's is family i highly doubt we will get a truly unbiased opinion on this.

My broker is NTI insurance.

My insurance company is Dominion of Canada.


Just because my broker does not make the insurer fully aware of the condition of the vehicle, doesn't mean they do not have the right to wave my coverage.

[Canadian_zuk]

I await in anticipation of you next reply but your broker doesn't care and since your's is family i highly doubt we will get a truly unbiased opinion on this.

Not a broker, an agent. The only Broker I use is for my sled insurance, my auto ins. company will not cover sleds, bikes or quads.



My broker is NTI insurance.

My insurance company is Dominion of Canada

Mine is a large company that also offer roadside assistance.;)




Just because my broker does not make the insurer fully aware of the condition of the vehicle, doesn't mean they do not have the right to wave my coverage.

I understand that, and I understood that from the begining. But going on your reasoning, every vehicle on the road with a Canadian Tire brush guard or trailer hitch installed after purchase is driving around illegaly. This is the kind of battle that needs to be fought in court. You say modification, I say accesory.
-CZ

[Fullload]

I understand that, and I understood that from the begining. But going on your reasoning, every vehicle on the road with a Canadian Tire brush guard or trailer hitch installed after purchase is driving around illegaly. This is the kind of battle that needs to be fought in court. You say modification, I say accesory.
-CZ


Bolt on vs. welded on to a frame are two totally different animals. My Calmini bumper for example is bolt on but this is not quite classed as a brushguard.


Your right i do want to find a sloution but one condridicts the other. Lose lose situatuions suck.

[Canadian_zuk]

Called them today. They say because I do not have collision and they will not be replacing anything if I fawk it up, they don't care. I asked about liability in case of a serious accident involing another motorist, and I was told I am covered with the lift, larger tires and non stock bumpers. They insure many lifted vehicles.

I'll just cross my fingers. I'm keeping a record of the time, date and agent I spoke to along with the questions I asked and the answers he gave. Lets hope this is enough if there ever is a dispute.

-CZ

[Depot]

did u ask em if ur covered while off-road???? thats what the trail cops are looking at too eh.

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[Canadian_zuk]

did u ask em if ur covered while off-road???? thats what the trail cops are looking at too eh.

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No, I didn't ask them that. Every time I've been stopped wheelin, the pink has always been good enough. I'll let this one be for now. As far as I'm concerened I've gone far enough out of my way to ensure I'm properly covered and have a contact agent who told me as much.

[MuddMachine]

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