When is a Zook not a Zook?

[Mud Lite]

How do we draw lines with more buggies coming out to events?
What makes a Zook a Zook? Is it the Vin#, the power train, the hood and emblem, or frame and firewall? How much Zuk is enough?

[Superzuk]

Damn we better hurry with this, cause I am tubing mine as we speak. I say frame and emblem... :D

Mine will be licenced as a zuk, I still have my VIN and such to go with the frame..

[TheSarg]

I've thought alot about this, and im just some Joe Shmoe so my opinion aint worth the keyboard it's typed on, but here's my take:

1. Tube chassis, custom body panels, requires zook motor/tranny/t-case.
2. Custom buggy, requires zook firewall, cowl, partial grill and hood.

Basically, either a decent amount of zook body panels or zook drivetrain, its a tough call, but i agree it must have more then zook badges on it for it to be applicable. I know its not in any form realistic but it would be nice for an all Zook event to have pictures in the media of vehicles that at least resemble a Zook of some nature.

[Superzuk]

I always thought that if it started as a zuk, then it was considered a zuk???

I would say that as long as there are some recognizable parts of a zuk left on it, then it should be considered a zuk. Ie front grill, fame, drivetrain, hood, fenders, etc should all eb recognizeable enough each on their own to show it is a zuk...

[screech]

I always thought that if it started as a zuk, then it was considered a zuk???

I would say that as long as there are some recognizable parts of a zuk left on it, then it should be considered a zuk. Ie front grill, fame, drivetrain, hood, fenders, etc should all eb recognizeable enough each on their own to show it is a zuk...

X 2 :)

[vanbdan]

What makes a Zook a Zook? Is it the Vin#, the power train, the hood and emblem, or frame and firewall?

Some of the above...

(I can see mudslug mounting a zook hood and grill on "George" and showing up at suzican)

van:hubba:

[MuddMachine]

I say you have to play it by eye. If someone shows up in a Lada or a yota with a zook engine....... geuss what :upy:

[Depot]

gee.. wheres that leave me?

lets see.... i have a zuk motor, tranny and most of a zuk t-case, a firewall (fer now) and 6" of floor oh yah, and most of the original zuk frame - modified of course.

dem words "body" or "hood" or "fenders" doesnt exist in Depot's dictionary :roll:

My rig started as a zuk and I think I still have enough zuk in her to say Im zuk based.

D

[TheSarg]

My rig started as a zuk and I think I still have enough zuk in her to say Im zuk based.

U could show up on a tricycle and i'd argue with anyone that wouldnt let u in, as far as im concerned if U, FullLoad, Mudd or Mudpig aint there, there aint no point.

[ZookVet]

I think as long as it statred as a zook and it has a zook motor, regardless of horsepower add-ons or upgrades, it should be counted, but once you go to a six banger or an 8 cylinder, your out.
Chassis long or short, big or small tires, axles from anything, it's still a zook if it's on a zook frame and runs a zook motor.

Mine, "of course' is still a zook.
;) ;) :D

[Fullload]

1: started with a Zuk frame

2: If it is a custom tube chassis it has to be easily recognizable as a Suzuki


As long as the person is proud to be an owner of a suzuki and has shown some sort of effort to be brand loyal why not.

Mudslug can put whatever body panel he wants on "george" but we all know what it really is/was.

Mudlite, we all can look at any Picture and see that your truck was a suzuki. We also can look at depots truck with relative ease and see whats left of suzuki between the monkey bars of pipe, and it still has part of the original frame as well.

[Mud Lite]

I think as long as it statred as a zook and it has a zook motor, regardless of horsepower add-ons or upgrades, it should be counted, but once you go to a six banger or an 8 cylinder, your out.
Chassis long or short, big or small tires, axles from anything, it's still a zook if it's on a zook frame and runs a zook motor.

Mine, "of course' is still a zook.
;) ;) :D

I guess I'm out................no more SuziCan:yike

[Fullload]

I guess I'm out................no more SuziCan:yike


I knew that was coming!:rofl:

[Mud Lite]

OK, so main criteria has to be:

1. Started life as a Zuk and retains Zuk vin# ( Depot)
2. Tube Buggy must have Zuk power plant (such as JimBog)
3. If it has no Zuk drivetrain it has to look like a Zuk and be registered as a Zuk Mud Lite)

I want to Make this Staright this year. This is a Zuk only event!!!!!!
No ****s, No Toys, No ATV's, no support team in Lada's.

[longy442]

I knew that was coming!:rofl:

Ya I saw that too.

And does that mean no Big-Block-Sami, i may have convinced him someday to bring his.:roll:

Not to mention my zuk has a chevy engine and trans. I think we all know who a zook guy is. Maybe some sort of test like ask if them if they ever spent fair market value for any part? Or if he thinks any zook retailing for more than $500 sound crazy? or or Maybe " Would you rather buy after market bolt on parts or fab them up yourself for cheap?" Stuff like that will weed out the true zook guys.

1. A buggy with a zook frame is a zook even if it has 22r motor and drive it started as a zook.
2. Any obvoiusly recognizable body panels regardless of motor is a zook.
3. For a full tube buggy, I'd think then it would have to be zook powered.

Not like we threw out the two guy who came in Yota's last year, they just couldn't keep up and left on there own:D haha j/k

[longy442]

OK, so main criteria has to be:

1. Started life as a Zuk and retains Zuk vin# ( Depot)
2. Tube Buggy must have Zuk power plant (such as JimBog)
3. If it has no Zuk drivetrain it has to look like a Zuk and be registered as a Zuk Mud Lite)

I want to Make this Staright this year. This is a Zuk only event!!!!!!
No ****s, No Toys, No ATV's, no support team in Lada's.

I was typing mine while you sent this, looks similar, great minds, does this mean Terry won't be collecting the signs in his Geep?

[Mud Lite]

I was typing mine while you sent this, looks similar, great minds, does this mean Terry won't be collecting the signs in his Geep?

My Support Team is Different. But Terry won't be driving a ****, he is into Toyota's not, and possibly looking at a Zuk to Offroad.;)

4. Has a Zuk frame c/w vin # and some semblance of other Zuk parts.

You can't take a Kick frame and throw a toy body on it and call it a Zuk!!!! LOL

[Superzuk]

Does this mean I'm out???
1. Mine started life as a zuk.\
2. I'm a diehard zuker, probably owned more than most.
3. mines being converted into a buggy, and is not running zuk drivetrain, but will remain vin'ed with zuk tags, and certified as a zuk.
4. I'm just as cheap as the next zuk guy.
5. I will have a zuk hood, and some zuk emblems, possibly a zuk grill.



so??? What's the concensus on this.

I'm beginning to think Longy may have had it right saying "I think we all know who a zook guy is. Maybe some sort of test like ask if them if they ever spent fair market value for any part? Or if he thinks any zook retailing for more than $500 sound crazy? or or Maybe " Would you rather buy after market bolt on parts or fab them up yourself for cheap?" Stuff like that will weed out the true zook guys."

[extremekickin]

I,d say if it has the zook frame and motor and tranny then your good to go. So what if i pull the body off and put on a swift body can i still come?:D

[longy442]

[QUOTE=Superzuk]Does this mean I'm out???
1. Mine started life as a zuk.\

I think started life as a zuk is key here. I'd say your good.

I'm beginning to think Longy may have had it right

This has hardly ever been the case:rofl:

[Depot]

OK, so main criteria has to be:

1. Started life as a Zuk and retains Zuk vin# ( Depot)


PHEW!!!! at least my truck despite the fact that its registered as an off-road dune buggy (go figure eh) and has no dash anymore with a visable VIN (Im sure the vin is somewhere on that frame if u wanna look), my off-road reg papers show my original zuk vin!

and whats this bout 6 and 8 bangers now???? u tellin me If I ever get off my ass and put in that 2.5 V6 Grand vitara motor I got I'll get booted for having something bigger than a lawn boy motor? :rant: :rant: :rant:

:brows:


D

[Lucy]

u tellin me If I ever get off my ass and put in that 2.5 V6 Grand vitara motor I got I'll get booted for having something bigger than a lawn boy motor? :rant: :rant: :rant:

:brows:


D

GV engine is a zuk engine! :roll:

I agree with extreme personally , I think it should be anything bulid of of the zuk platform i.e. frame, engine , tranny ,t-case

[mudmagnet]

i always looked at it as what ever the ownership says.... if it is regestered as a zuki then thats what it is, but now i see it as when you look at the front you should see something zuki with looking at the papers.... such as the hood.... how i see it, my buggy will always have a zuki hood on it....a sidekick hood but its still a zuki..... what brought me to this is wheeling with don.... heres a list of what his rig is made of... started out as a dodge truck... so it has:
a dodge frame
dodge d60 front
ford 9"
3.6L dodge v6 and matching auto
1 link suspension with air bags
all tubed out
and 42" irocs

and of course, sidekick seats......

and this is regestered as a suzuki samurai...... now i can't see in any way for you to let him in, not that hewants to go, but just saying.... now if he were to stick a zuki hood on i think i would prob let him...
heres a pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/ImaTrucker/CIMG1013.jpg

[vanbdan]

nope,I dont think that a Dodge based buggy with a zook hood,and seats should be allowed.If thats the case,then slapping a zook hood and grill on
ANYTHING would qualify.

van:hubba:

[szabotage]

I like the idea that the suzuki is broken down into 3 categories:
1) frame
2)body (or bodyparts)
3) powertrain/drivetrain

to be fair I'd like to say if you got any 2 of the 3 categories you should be okay to be classified as a zuk.

[Mud Lite]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I like this best two out of three!!!!
Are there and flaws to this? What about JimBog? No frame, no Body. OUT?
What about best two out of four.

Started life as a zuk ( VIN#)
frame
body parts
drivetrain

Any holes in this theory?

[Zuklin]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I like this best two out of three!!!!
Are there and flaws to this? What about JimBog? No frame, no Body. OUT?
What about best two out of four.

Started life as a zuk ( VIN#)
frame
body parts
drivetrain

Any holes in this theory?

Mud Lite... i think you got'r there.

Perhaps "starting life as a zuk/VIN" as manditory and then minimum one of the three you have listed. Or two atta four... both r good.

[SuziCrazy]

BWAHAHAHHAHA!!!! I guess Pete Menard can't come with the Willis/Zuk thing he's building.

Started off as a Willis
Frame is a willis
Body parts are Willis
Powertrain are Suzuki

1 out of 4 = BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Mud Lite]

I thought he said he was using a zuk frame and just putting the CJ Body on? Someone better tell him it a J33P and he should try J33P Jamboree.....bwahahahahaha. What axles is he using, because if they are Dana then that makes Mud Lite a Chevy.....lol

Are there any other flaws in the Best 2 out of 4 Rule?

[longy442]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I like this best two out of three!!!!
Are there and flaws to this? What about JimBog? No frame, no Body. OUT?
What about best two out of four.

Started life as a zuk ( VIN#)
frame
body parts
drivetrain

Any holes in this theory?

I think you would be mostly ok with those 2 outa 4. Maybe if certain die hard zook guys have strayed you could personally grandfather them in John. My question is? Is this really gonna be an issue? Or is this a percaution? I've been to two Suzicans now and it seemed like the last one had more stocker kicks show up than outragious tube buggies. I know more of the hardcore guys are building wilder rigs but if they are any of the regular guys who always attend and make the event great to watch, I can't see them being turned away if they swayed from the zook route. Is this mainly for new people inquiring if they can show up with full tubes??

[Mud Lite]

I always get the same questions asked each year. Can I bring a friend with a ****? Can I throw a Zook hood on my toy and come play? I guess this is more precaution than anything. I just want to have a system in place that makes it easy to distinguise. As time goes on, things get a little grey as less and less Zuks are available.

I think the Best 2 out 4 rule works well to cover the bases. Ate least when someone gets mouthy with Depot he can say he passes the rule as it was a zuk and still retains the zuk frame. I am also in that boat, tho I do still have some distinguishable body panels ( for now). Different people have different opinions on the subject. As Reg said, if it has an 8 , it ain't a Zuk. Well if it has an 8 but was a zuk and still retains the zuk frame, it's all good.

I hate grey!!!! It must be black and white to shut the whinners up.:brows:

[littlejackass]

BWAHAHAHHAHA!!!! I guess Pete Menard can't come with the Willis/Zuk thing he's building.

Started off as a Willis
Frame is a willis
Body parts are Willis
Powertrain are Suzuki

1 out of 4 = BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ya i was curious about that too! :rolf:
He spent half of the ovo dinner telling me about this willys thing that he was creating.
Here are the specs that I got from him that he wouldnt stop telling me about:
2.0L, with 4sp auto out of a kick
4.16 tcase
Ford 9 for the rear
dana 44 from a dodge ramcharger
willys body and frame
wheelbase of 102"
42" Iroks
15" Allied beadlocks

He kept bragging how he would be able to go in both Suzican and the Heep Jamborie. As Mike says, to me it is only has 1 of the 4 requirements! Built heeps change their complete powerplants alot times to chevies, but they don't considered their vehicles a chevy. The same should technically be the same here, I would think. Isn't the passing mark in Ontario 50%?

[longy442]

Ya i was curious about that too! :rolf:
He spent half of the ovo dinner telling me about this willys thing that he was creating.
Here are the specs that I got from him that he wouldnt stop telling me about:
2.0L, with 4sp auto out of a kick
4.16 tcase
Ford 9 for the rear
dana 44 from a dodge ramcharger
willys body and frame
wheelbase of 102"
42" Iroks
15" Allied beadlocks

He kept bragging how he would be able to go in both Suzican and the Heep Jamborie. As Mike says, to me it is only has 1 of the 4 requirements! Built heeps change their complete powerplants alot times to chevies, but they don't considered their vehicles a chevy. The same should technically be the same here, I would think. Isn't the passing mark in Ontario 50%?

I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to make that call. But I still think the 2 outa 4 seems good. On the other hand John its an event YOU put on so I'm of the oppinion, what YOU say is it. End of story, if I'm having a party I say who comes. You no? I guess then by making a hard and fast ruling it's easy to say yes or no. You either qualify by the rules or not. Simple.

[Mud Lite]

I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to make that call. But I still think the 2 outa 4 seems good. On the other hand John its an event YOU put on so I'm of the oppinion, what YOU say is it. End of story, if I'm having a party I say who comes. You no? I guess then by making a hard and fast ruling it's easy to say yes or no. You either qualify by the rules or not. Simple.

I would rather make it a hard and fast rule. Then I don't have to deal with people asking the question. There is a line drawn, and you are either on one side or the other. Then I don't have to feel bad when someone asks me to make a decision. It's cast in stone for all to read.

Now..what about those GEO Trackers? .....bwahahahahahah:rofl:



Kidding!!!

[ZookVet]

OK, so maybe we need to look at the site support issue.
If someone comes along who can at least show something of a zook and is registered on the site he or she is good to go.
Try a pic showing the truck with some sorta zook image, or somethin.
Maybe you even be a paying member to go to events, for zooks only.

Reg

[Superzuk]

This whole thread makes me think how great of an event Suzican has turned out to be. Lots of events out there can't be too choosy about who joins because there are never enough people.

Dig what I'm saying here. This event has garnered enough of a following that now there's a possibility of the regulars not being allowed in, based on modifications. I understand keeping the event an all suzuki event, but I think that defining the event by vehicles rather than by Suzuki crowd may be detrimental to the whole idea behind Suzican.

I may be wrong here, but I always looked at suzican as a place to show off your work on your rig, check out what others have done to theirs, and sit around a camp fire telling zuk related stories. So... many people have been building their zuks up, into buggies, some of them using 4.3's, others using toyota, VW and other motors. But all in all, their basic mind set is Suzuki. They Live, Breath and Die Suzuki. Why knock those guys out of that event?

Anyways, I think the two out of three rule should be ok.... Just wanted to share my opinions...:rant:

[Mud Lite]

So... many people have been building their zuks up, into buggies, some of them using 4.3's, others using toyota, VW and other motors. But all in all, their basic mind set is Suzuki. They Live, Breath and Die Suzuki. Why knock those guys out of that event?

Anyways, I think the two out of three rule should be ok.... Just wanted to share my opinions...:rant:

Not trying to knock any zuk guys out of SuziCan, I am just trying to draw a line to stop other vehicles from trying to come in. It is a Zuk event!! the one out of three doesn't work because I think it needs to start life as a Zuk, but at least retain some portion of a Zuk. If it is a PURE buggy, then it must be registered as a zuk, have a zuk frame or some body panel. Trust me I am not trying to push anyone out. I am just trying to alliviate the same questions I get every year. I am too nice of a guy, and it always seems to bite me in the ass. One year we had a **** show up with his buddies. What am I going to tell him? Go Home? I am the one to make these decisions and I would rather have it cast in stone than field the questions. Is there anything in the " Best 2 out of 4 that affects you SuperZuk? or anyone else that comes on a regular basis. If Pete is building a J33P with a Zuk engine, he will have to bring one of his other trucks. Or he will have to use a Zuk frame. I am trying to stop the influx of non Zuk Buggies that is all. I like Darren from B&M, but does his rig have anything Zuk on it? If he put on a Zuk hood, would that get him in? How about Greg Burke? His Buggy doesn't look like a zuk, but it has a zuk motor and a Kick frame. He's IN!!!! What about a guy who has a Chevy Blazer and just puts a Body on the Chevy Frame? RIGHT!!!! Even BIGBLOCKZUK once was a Zuk, has a Zuk frame and still retains a Zuk look.

[vanbdan]

Mudlite,I think whatever you DO come up with will be be the best thing for this event.I have met people at the mall when I was cruisin' in the zook,who have told me they no someone whose cousin's sister's brother's father in law's girlfriend's neighbour went to this big suzuki only run called Suzican...and then tell me all about it .I have wished that I could go ever since it's conception,and have not made it yet,but I will some day.Keep up the good work,and if it ain't azook,fawk 'em,they cant run with the in crowd that weekend!

van:hubba:

[fullsizeguy]

why not just say 30 or 40 percent zook or your out kinda thing ...the percentage can be adjusted to allow for the most modified zook you can think of.. then if its 10 or 15 pecent thats the line ...

[TheSarg]

Just set what u have to set in stone. Those of us who dont apply will deal with it accordingly, and take advantage of the fact that Suzican is only 1 run of the year. I agree that if it is to remain a brand specific event then rules need to be made and respected with no "bending".

This will most likey ruffle a few feathers and prevent some from going, but thats ok. There are other runs over the wheeling season and other social gatherings for the Zookpower crew... it's not the end of the world. I think im one of the few that has to spend the most seat time just to get my ass there, but as the years progress it seems i'm being more choosey over which events i goto, and rules like this are certainly a factor. Im hoping my rigs happen to fall under whatever rules are made so i can, but im not gunna be a whiney bitch if they dont.

How does the American counterpart to this event set thier regulations regarding thier brand specific event? Might be something to start with at least.


....and while we're on the topic, the season is long, what about having a Suzican East and a Suzican West/North?

[Lucy]

....and while we're on the topic, the season is long, what about having a Suzican East and a Suzican West/North?

I think thats a great idea, had crossed my mind a couple times! Thought one in the spring and one in the fall would be cool. I've heard many people say it's too bad there is only one suzican a year, myself included. But I figured ML has his hands full enough with one event to organize unless I bunch of us pitched in to help. I'd be first in line to offer some help running a west/north suzican if the thought ever falls on the table.

[Mud Lite]

One event? Bwahahahahahaha!!! SuziCan, PJ Party, Paragon, Tellico, Twist -Off....................I'd like to actually wheel sometime during the year without organizing events!!!! LOL. But seriously, if you had two events you would take away from both. Less Sponsorship, less people to both because the east would go east and the west would go west. I think One a year gives us plenty to look forward to.......Plus my heart can't handle more than one outing with Depot........j/k Bud!!!:yike

[Mud Lite]

Just set what u have to set in stone. Those of us who dont apply will deal with it accordingly, and take advantage of the fact that Suzican is only 1 run of the year. I agree that if it is to remain a brand specific event then rules need to be made and respected with no "bending".

This will most likey ruffle a few feathers and prevent some from going, but thats ok. There are other runs over the wheeling season and other social gatherings for the Zookpower crew... it's not the end of the world. I think im one of the few that has to spend the most seat time just to get my ass there, but as the years progress it seems i'm being more choosey over which events i goto, and rules like this are certainly a factor. Im hoping my rigs happen to fall under whatever rules are made so i can, but im not gunna be a whiney bitch if they dont.

How does the American counterpart to this event set thier regulations regarding thier brand specific event? Might be something to start with at least.


....and while we're on the topic, the season is long, what about having a Suzican East and a Suzican West/North?

Who's feathers are we ruffling? Who have I chopped off? I don't think this will affect anyone that has been to past SuziCans except for the Toyota guys, and they can bring the wifes truck this year;) My point is to not alienate anyone here. It is to prevent any problems from happening. I don't wanna make the call. It aslo sets a guidline to peoples future projects. I would hate to see someone build a buggy that has nothing to do with a zuk except for the fact that he was at past suzicans and expect to be able to run the event. Last time I checked I couldn't go to a **** Jamboree;)

As far as being more choosey in your events, this is why I have been having poles regarding new locations, asking for advice, weighing the differences on locations. I know I can't please everyone, but at least if it becomes a roaming event, we will hopefully pick up more than we loose.

[Superzuk]

Not trying to knock any zuk guys out of SuziCan, I am just trying to draw a line to stop other vehicles from trying to come in. Is there anything in the " Best 2 out of 4 that affects you SuperZuk?

I wasn't necessarily saying I didn't think mine would fit, I was more thinking that it would be a shame to lose some of the hard core guys who have been involved in zukin for so long. I also understand you're not trying to knock anyone out, I was just trying to point out that incidentally, some people who have been involved for a while may not be able to make it due to some rule changes.

I agree entirely that a line has to be drawn. Actually, the whole reason I started my little rant was to point out that it is due to the success of Suzican that we have this dilema.

:rant:

[Mud Lite]

... I was more thinking that it would be a shame to lose some of the hard core guys who have been involved in zukin for so long.

:rant:

Who will we loose? I realy don't think we have had anyone that doesn't fit into the rules. Man if Depot's truck is still allowed then everyone should be good!!! Unless I don't know of some projects that are in the making, who will these rules affect?

[Superzuk]

Not really sure... was just thinking what if...

[screech]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I like this best two out of three!!!!
Are there and flaws to this? What about JimBog? No frame, no Body. OUT?
What about best two out of four.

Started life as a zuk ( VIN#)
frame
body parts
drivetrain

Any holes in this theory?

I think the 2 out of 4 is the best
Started life as a Zuk -mandatory, then any /or of the other 3 and your in

I can see one of us strapping a heep hood on our Zook and showing up for the heep jamboree expecting to get in, those heep boys would laugh us out of the park !!

[Mud Lite]

I think the 2 out of 4 is the best
Started life as a Zuk -mandatory, then any /or of the other 3 and your in

I can see one of us strapping a heep hood on our Zook and showing up for the heep jamboree expecting to get in, those heep boys would laugh us out of the park !!

Exactly!! :)

[fullsizeguy]

I think the 2 out of 4 is the best
Started life as a Zuk -mandatory, then any /or of the other 3 and your in

I can see one of us strapping a heep hood on our Zook and showing up for the heep jamboree expecting to get in, those heep boys would laugh us out of the park !!
that would be alot of work just to go sit around at the mall:D

[GearHead]

just my 2 cents.
If you can proudly say.....no thats not a j33p its a suzuki then your in.
suzuki guys know who they are, and the type of event it is.
if the truck is full on buggy, tube frame, chevy power, d60 axles and the guy wants to run a samurai hood and grill off the first samurai/sidekick that he owned then good enought for me.


later
steve

[MudRunner]

So can I put a sami emblem on the Toy and Susuki stickers all over it and come ? Maybe to at least watch ? Or be a TB ?

I would say as long as its not a J E E P you should be okay :D

[Zuklin]

When i show up places flat towin my LWB with my J E E P... am i gonna get shot at?? :bugeye: Just wanna save myself from some recovery time. :brows: If it's just a 'one time introductory' group beating I can deal with that :D lol

[Mud Lite]

When i show up places flat towin my LWB with my J E E P... am i gonna get shot at?? :bugeye: Just wanna save myself from some recovery time. :brows: If it's just a 'one time introductory' group beating I can deal with that :D lol

We don't mind J33Ps in the parking lot, they make good tow vehicles.:brows:

[TheSarg]

'Ive got a Heep, and ive even been invited out to wheel with the zooker'z. Well actually its cause they wanted me to break the ice for them, so no u wont get shot, unless it breaks down towin yer LWB and it causes u to miss Suzican, then yer ass is grass till next year heh:thefinger

[Canadian_zuk]

When i show up places flat towin my LWB with my J E E P... am i gonna get shot at?? :bugeye: Just wanna save myself from some recovery time. :brows: If it's just a 'one time introductory' group beating I can deal with that :D lol


Naw you'll be fine. I went out wheelin with a bunch of Zooks a few weeks ago, some uninvited guy in a HEEP showed up. Instead of beating him, we let him break the ice for us while we all laughed behind his back.:D

[Zuklin]

Sweet... I'll cancel my Kevlar vest order and buy more zook parts :D :D :D :D

[MudHog_jr]

well I must say that I am defanetly the oddball among this forum as I don't even own a zook, athough I have met some of you guys on the trail and would like to join you on some of your non zook specific tours as you seem like a bunch of good guys with some nice rigs and I just love the wheeling sport. so I frequent this page a lot to read about the latest wheeling gosip.

I myself tend not to care what you drive, if it is 4x4 and you know how to drive it (offroad that is) you can feel free to tag along with me. any event I participate in is usually open to any make. and any event I may organize in the future will not be limited by make due the the fact I like seeing all the custom stuff from all models.

I am a little disapointed that I am unable to join you in your big event do to the make of 4x4 I frefer, I bet I would have a blast there. however it is only one event of the year and there are lots of other times I can tag along for a tour (its strange, I have never been disapointed that I am unable to attend a heep jamboree though..... hmm strange :rofl:)

now to get the the point I have to say I don't personally agree with make specific events, as alot of vehicles are a mix of parts from many other makes. how do you draw the line?? I see you have run into this exact issue, but I must say, as an opinion from an "outsider" (he he) that the best 2 of 4 rule would likely be your best bet. if someone gives you grief about not being able to attend because they don't meet the requirements, tell them they can join me for a tour somewhere else that weekend :D



Mud lite, I would like to remind you that if you ever do decide to come over to ardbeg to check out weather you think it would be sutible as a future location for your event (or even if you just wana do a tour there), please get a hold of me as I would love to show you around the place.

sorry for the long post, hope I could help!

[MUDSLUT]

this thread is really none of my business cause i'm too broke to travel that far for an event anyway, but, in order to be a called a zuk, the body panels and registration mean nothing IMO. chev motor, tranny, t-case, and dana axels isn't a zook, even if it looks like one, cause it's not at least 50% zook and it's heavy. A cheap, light, fuel efficient, go anywhere rig is the sprit of suzukis. my rig is completely suzuki only to the first t-case, but the rest is still light, and i can go all day on 15 bucks of gas, that's a suzuki. I'm not saying that anyone should or should not be allowed into suzican, that's just my opinion of what a suzuki is. Also, toyotas share the same qualites and spirit as suzukis and i think all suzy/toy events really should be merged. Easy for me to say, i'm not organizing these things. :D
Now, someone call me an ass and delete this useless post. :brows:

[Mud Lite]

So I guess if you take a Lightning Conversion Zuk that runs a 2.8 chevy motor, then he is out? Even tho the rest of the truck is 100% Zuk. So in that case any motor swap should be out such as a Turbo Diesel VW swap, or even a 22R toy motor. Is it the weight that is the deciding factor? Did Suzuki strive to make a nimble 4x4 , or a cheap gas efficient compact? And lastly I didn't think vehicles had spirit, the drivers did.

People seem to think that I am trying to divide and concor here. That is further from the truth. I am just trying to avoid future problems of non zuk based buggies from wanting to come. Basically anything that was a Zuk to start is in. Anyone that is a true Zuk enthuisiast will at least have started with a Zuk. Name one person that I have exempted from the rule? This was not put in place to force people away, it was put into place to keep the standard of ZukiCan the way it is........High!!!

I once wanted to go to a **** Jamboree.................guess what? They wouldn't let me go. So know we have our own little Jamboree. :D

[Mud Lite]

[QUOTE=MUDSLUT].......IMO. chev motor, tranny, t-case, and dana axels isn't a zook, even if it looks like one, cause it's not at least 50% zook and it's heavy. .......QUOTE]

Well I guess Mudlite with its 4.3, Dana Axles, 700R4 tranny, D18 t-case, will not be able to go either...............hense forth SuziCan will be Canceled.




























NOT!!!!!:roll:

[MUDSLUT]

to quote myself--> "I'm not saying that anyone should or should not be allowed into suzican, that's just my opinion of what a suzuki is."
--and my suzuki has a spirit, it's an evil one and it is obsessed with stealing all my time and knuckle skin.

Listen, a few weeks ago i was in my truck and i had a guy come up to me and said "have you ever seen the samurai with the 454 and rockwell axels with 52" michelins?? I simply said "i heard about that one - it's not a samurai." and nothing will ever change my mind about that. (that rig really exists by the way!) :yike)

[SamiFlyer]

Well everybody has their own opinion and who's to say it's right or wrong. However, it is Suzican's opinion of what is considered a Zook is the topic of this discussion. Not that i want to draw a complete parallel between Heep Hambo's and Suzican but even a CJ7 with an LT1, an Atlas and D60s is still a Heep.

All I've been hearing about since I bought my LWB is how awesome Suzican is so I'm building mine only as far as those rules will allow. I have an ownership, a frame and a body that all have the same number on them. Despite the extensive modifications I will have done to her by the time I make it to Suzican, it will still look like a Zook and I will describe it as such.


Sean :cool:

[Zuklin]

I dont pretend to know sh33t. I just made the switch to the Zook's a mear 6 months ago and will never turn back (so many mods so little time) but correct me if im wrong... from what i have learned from my many hours of webwheelin (webwheelin :rofl: ) here is that this is a SUZUKI site that covers everyone from stock to heavily modified? Why not carry that train of thought to the event?

I love an original zook just as much as the next person. All shiny, armed with a SUA and some 205's or a cool lookin zook from a land far far away.

BUT...

I also love the word 'customized'... Chop the back off and tube'r, dana 60's, 12 tcases, rollcage, 22r, diesel, 4.3, 350, 454 or a 1.6 on the sauce, cut out the wheel wells, SOA and throw on the 38 swampers... fawkn eh!!! Bolt some wings on er - LOVE IT!! :jam: *Note to self: Stay off the rye*

Point im tryn to make is that if it left the factory as a zook then cool as far as im concerned (IMHO). Put ur 'unfit' ownership back in ur pocket, put'er in 4low and hit the skinny. :brows: . If ur truck started off as something else and is a buggy with a zook hood you just happened to have kickin around... well im sure there is another great event out there for you.

ML... always a tough call when ur makin the rules. Can't make everyone happy so do what you gotta do dude. I'm sure there are other great events for ppl who dont have a zook and love hitting the trails. I am sure there are alot of heep and yota events out there I will never be able to attend. It's one event in the whole year and its called "Suzican". Its nothing personal.


Hell i would even concider a...

"93' sidekick ragtop - 1.6 EFI, CJ leafs, stock 5 speed, dana 300 married to sliced kick case, geep/yota driveshafts, yota axles welded F/R, 36" TSL, warn "grandaddy" winch. - body is fuct"

...a zook too even with all those toy/heep parts on it :brows: J/K


So ends Chapter 1... Wheres my beer :D

[Grumpy]

Listen, a few weeks ago i was in my truck and i had a guy come up to me and said "have you ever seen the samurai with the 454 and rockwell axels with 52" michelins?? I simply said "i heard about that one - it's not a samurai." and nothing will ever change my mind about that. (that rig really exists by the way!) :yike)

Sorry dude, I gotta disagree with yer point of view on that one.:thefinger No offence, but if it's a Samurai body, well it's a Samurai........like the guy here in Ottawa that drives a classic old Jaguar.....like a '67.........on what looks like a Chev 1 ton frame and axles, with a crazy suspension lift.......it's STILL a Jag, no matter how fuct up it looks......(I wish I had a pic to show ya). Same thing goes for any funny cars at the drag strip or Nascar.........just a fibreglass body over a tube skeleton, (mind you, in Nascar, the running gear is usually the same make as the body).

[longy442]

to quote myself--> "I'm not saying that anyone should or should not be allowed into suzican, that's just my opinion of what a suzuki is."
--and my suzuki has a spirit, it's an evil one and it is obsessed with stealing all my time and knuckle skin.

Listen, a few weeks ago i was in my truck and i had a guy come up to me and said "have you ever seen the samurai with the 454 and rockwell axels with 52" michelins?? I simply said "i heard about that one - it's not a samurai." and nothing will ever change my mind about that. (that rig really exists by the way!) :yike)


Never heard about one with rockewells and 52's, but I've heard rumor about a yellow one with 454 with rad up front. Dana 60's f/r lockers and 38.5 boggers:rofl: I understand it goes like snot.:D

[MUDSLUT]

my unpopular opinions aside, for suzican, how about something
like this:

sammy body/body panels - 2 pt.
sammy frame or partial frame - 2 pt.
sammy motor - 1pt.
sammy tranny - 1pt.
at least one sammy t-case - 1pt.
sammy axels - 1pt.

need 3/8 to enter, or almost 40%

mudlite - 4/8 partial body, partial frame
depot - 5/8 partial frame, engine, tranny, t-case
pete's willys -3/8 engine, tranny, t-case
mine - 7/8 :D

this would keep the geeps with sammy grills in the parking lot, where we are at their events, and chevy etc. sammys that look like sammys on the rocks. would be good to have a definite set of rules for parking lot arguements IMO.

[Superzuk]

How about we drop this whole debate, and let Mudlight decide? :bringiton


:rant: :rant:

[vanbdan]

All right allright allrighty then.It's settled ,go get the beer.!!!

van:hubba:

[TheSarg]

I actually like Mudslut's points system, but thats just me, cause then u can reference yer build around it. It would have to become the permanent norm for Suzican tho, for years to come.

As far as dropping the debate...ML asked and people responded, dont make me break out my pimp hand Seb! :thefinger

[Superzuk]

dont make me break out my pimp hand Seb! :thefinger

Dude... keep that Pimp hand to yourself...:D

[Mud Lite]

I like it too, but I think it should be 4/8 so that it becomes the same as the 2 out of 4 rule. I still think think there should be an eliment of Zuk to it. But with the 4/8 why would body panel and frame out weigh motor and tranny? I am still partial to the 2 out of 4 rule. It seems less bias , simple to administer, and easy to remember. Its all about the KISS principle.

[MuddMachine]

As far as Im concerned, If I threw a chassis together and based it around a 'zook' thought, it's a zook. Use a tube chassis and whatever fawkin drivetrain you want, throw a zook hood on it and it's a zook. You are representing a zook. Just extremely hardcore. As far as this discussion goes, ML is running very lil zook stuff. What makes it a zook? the body?, chassis?, or drivetrain??? It's what you represent. If I showed up with a buggy that had nothing but a zook hood... what are you guys gonne tell me? Im not a zook guy? C'mon.

:rant:


EDIT: bunch o' cow fukrs :thefinger

[Mud Lite]

As far as Im concerned, If I threw a chassis together and based it around a 'zook' thought, it's a zook. Use a tube chassis and whatever fawkin drivetrain you want, throw a zook hood on it and it's a zook. You are representing a zook. Just extremely hardcore. As far as this discussion goes, ML is running very lil zook stuff. What makes it a zook? the body?, chassis?, or drivetrain??? It's what you represent. If I showed up with a buggy that had nothing but a zook hood... what are you guys gonne tell me? Im not a zook guy? C'mon.

:rant:


EDIT: bunch o' cow fukrs :thefinger

I'd make an exception for you Mudd:brows:

Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

John

P.S. I would expect more from you tho Mudd, at least some drivetrain, so the best two out of 4 would be met. What if Darren put Zuk hood on his Libby? What about a Ladda with Zuk Axles? how about a mini on a Zuk frame with Toyota drivetrain?

Last year I let two Toyota's in. Should this be allowed as they were ZookPower members? It is true, you can't please all the people all the time, but I need to put the line in the sand. So far this has been a great discussion, and I think we have all come to the same idea. Zuk guys are zuk guys.

[MuddMachine]

You let the 2 yota's in cuz yer a nice guy. If they registered with a yota it wouldnt happen.

I hear what you're sayin John but what I am sayin is that I am a zook guy from top to bottom (with not much in between :thefinger). If I built a buggy with a zook hood the idea is definitely zook based. Im not talkin about a Dan Dibble 4 seater with a lil zook hood on it. It would be small and compact with a mighty drivetrain. [J-Roc]Know what I'm sayin[/J-Roc]

:brows:

[MUDSLUT]

why would body panel and frame out weigh motor and tranny?

i don't think that it should, but it would be the only way for your truck to squeeze thru the rules without letting absolutely everyone in. :D - if they were all worth 1 point, you'de only be 2 for 6, and complete toyota drivetrain zooks with zook frame and body would also only score 2/6. just a way to give some grace to zookless drivetrain zooks. would also let in a chevette body on a zook frame/drivetrain. but hey, that would be a blast to see anyway.

[MuddMachine]

would also let in a chevette body on a zook frame/drivetrain. but hey, that would be a blast to see anyway.

Why would that be a blast to see? It's a chevette? How could that be considered 'zook based'? Wouldnt have any resemblance at all.

[SamiFlyer]

Why would that be a blast to see? It's a chevette? How could that be considered 'zook based'? Wouldnt have any resemblance at all.

Wait a minute!




....I hear what you're sayin John but what I am sayin is that I am a zook guy from top to bottom (with not much in between :thefinger). If I built a buggy with a zook hood the idea is definitely zook based. ....

So a "ZOOK" guy who shows up with a Chevette body on a full Sammy framed, sammy drivetrain rig would be turned away in your opinion? Simply because it doesn't "look" like a zook? Hell even Depot's buggy looks nothing like a Zook to someone with an untrained eye! Are we to hold non-established zook guys to a different standard as established zook guys? What exactly is a "zook guy"? Someone who's been on Zookpower for a set amount of time? Someone with so many posts on Zookpower? Someone who's owned a Zook for so many years? How about a guy who just got his zook and is amped to participate in a Suzican event? I consider myself a zook guy but does everybody else? Probably not. I also wheel a Toyota. Does that dilute my "zookness"?:thefinger

Personaly, I like the direction ML is going in. It gives some lattitude as to what shows up but still keeps the all important spirit of "zookness" to the event.


Sean :cool:

[Mud Lite]

Personaly, I like the direction ML is going in. It gives some lattitude as to what shows up but still keeps the all important spirit of "zookness" to the event.


Sean :cool:


:urock:

[MuddMachine]

Samiflyer in my opinion, yer a yota guy :thefinger

You show up with a chevette body and people will say "look at the chevette"

I show up with a zook hood and they'll say "look at the zook buggy" :thefinger

Regardless of my opinion, I'll always be there with enough zook to call it a zook.

[Superzuk]

Sorry guys, but to put it in Jean Chretien's words,


A Zook is a Zook. What kind of Zook? It's a Zook. A Zook is a Zook. And when you have a good Zook, it's because it's Zooken.


"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."

[Grumpy]

LMFAO

grumpy

(I loved that guy)

[longy442]

It's the post that will not die.
I wonder how many people who 4 wheel non zook type viechle would go to all the trouble of trying to sign up, drive all those miles to a remote location to have the real zook crew hassle them all week-end about not being a zook.

If your not a zook type guy you likely wouldn't want to come to suzican. You'd just go wheel somewhere else.

However I DO still see the need to set rules.
Ultimately freinds of Mudlites or members of zookpower who show up with non-zooks unregistered just to fart around on the trails and swap zook stories around camp will likely always be welcome.

Zooks don't own all the land that week-end. Those guys just couldn't register and be protected under OVO umbrella, etc.

Have I covered everyone? I'm so confused.:rofl:

[SamiFlyer]

What do you mean it's not a Zook?

http://www.fmtc.com/~imp/Heavy_Zuk.jpg


Sean :thefinger

[Zuklin]

What do you mean it's not a Zook?

http://www.fmtc.com/~imp/Heavy_Zuk.jpg


Sean :thefinger

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Buggy]

my unpopular opinions aside, for suzican, how about something
like this:

sammy body/body panels - 2 pt.
sammy frame or partial frame - 2 pt.
sammy motor - 1pt.
sammy tranny - 1pt.
at least one sammy t-case - 1pt.
sammy axels - 1pt.

need 3/8 to enter, or almost 40%

mudlite - 4/8 partial body, partial frame
depot - 5/8 partial frame, engine, tranny, t-case
pete's willys -3/8 engine, tranny, t-case
mine - 7/8 :D

this would keep the geeps with sammy grills in the parking lot, where we are at their events, and chevy etc. sammys that look like sammys on the rocks. would be good to have a definite set of rules for parking lot arguements IMO.
I like this idea the best maybe in % like difrent or common mod that is not zuk parts takes away a certian % and if it isnt 51% then its not zuk? im new to all of this and every mod was done with all suk parts or raw steel nothing from another brand was installed on my zuk yet :question: so i guess its 100% zuk. i dont know if its a good idea or not