T-case mount

[KAC]

Isee that I have a t-case mount starting to crack any ideas for an upgrade? Thanks:D

[Fullload]

Check out Trailtough.com. They have a bombproof t-case mount that is fairly cheap.

[Depot]

I used a 4 inch bolt and sidekick body mounts and made a triple decker sandwich..

BOLT
steel washer (from body mount)
rubber body mount
------ t-case arm
rubber mody mount
----- mount from frame
rubber body mount
steel washer
nylock NUT

then i tightened it all down till the rubber mounts were about 3/4 of an inch thick (they start out at just over an inch thich each)

but be forewarned - once u start using bombproof style t-case mounts - they will not break so somethign else will - either the arms off the t-case or the like in my case - the arms off the frame (gotta love that comealong :D )

If ur running stck motor and stock t-case I wouldnt be too worried using bombproof mounts.

I'd post pics but i forgot the digicam in my truck and she's in for service till thursday. srry

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[KAC]

I can wait for some pics if you don't mind taking some.i'm running a 1.6VWtd 87 tranny 85 t-case 83 sj diff's welded up on both ends with 33 Swampers. I know it is an explosion waiting to happen:boom:

[Depot]

wow - witht that set-up im surprised u havnt ripped ur t-case mounts to shreds already.. u must be a "nice" driver unlike the lead implants in my foot :)

if u do go bomb-proof style - keep a close eye on ur t-case mounting arms and the frame mounts... last year was a nightmare for me.. almost every week something else broke along the t-case mounting system. if u start bending or braeking mounting arms, post back - I'll tell u how i fixed my dilemna's.

camera is back on thurday, will do pics then

l8r

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[drtysuzuk]

i too am haveing my share of trouble, only i keep bending the long arm side. i put brand new suzuki mounts in,man do those things streatch! is it the boggers or spool or a combination thats causeing this?

[Fullload]

I hate to say it but you either have to bite the bullet and buy a "mighty kong" from trail tough or fab up a beefy arm/ bucket style to support the torque that goes through the case. The good news is that the CAD dollar is good so you won't pay as much as did for the case. I have had no problems with my Kong and all of the factory mounts are still in good shape.
They say when the mounts are new they can stretch up to 4" and return to a normal configuration after.

[Depot]

think about it this way... when u hit the gas, all the torque u produce is being transmited to the tires through its defined path...

engine, clutch, tranny, mid-shaft, t-case, drive shafts, gears, axels, birfields and then tires. when all that torque hits the tires and the tires try to move ur truck, u hit resistance.. that resistance basically sends the energy back along that path causing shit to break wherever ur weakest point is. the t-case mounts alow some of that energy to be absorbed and dispersed through the stretching and compressing of the rubber mounts. Of course, when there is too much energy things reach their operating limit and break... i.e. t-case mounts streched too far and snap or an arm being pressed or pulled to hard and it bends...

aggressive and larger tires = more resistance. if u put tiny bald stockers on and pinned it, one tire would spin and there would be virtually no reistance and no feedback of energy. putting spools and lockers in has the same effect as bigger tires.. more rubber ur forcing to turn - more load ur placing on components.

make sense?

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[drtysuzuk]

yep! i just like living in a world of denial. If i let the truck sit for a week hopefully all the strength will return to the arms. You know just like the disposible razor thats dull, let it sit for a month and it miraculously sharpen itself!!

thanks for the input, i,m looking into the mighty kong


:beer:

[Depot]

they say to NOT use bomproof style mounts if using the mighty kong. Despite the fact that i do use em with my own home made kong.. i agree with em...

Once I beefed up all my arms and all my mounts.. the mounts off the frame let go one by one.... (comealong :) ) thats y I figure they say not to use em both together... u need a week spot.. mounts are easy to replace.. the frame brakets are not!.

something somewhere has to give.... be carefull when u narrow down the list of what will break.. what u r left with may be worse than what u had to start with...


damn.. that almost sounded good :D

l8r

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[Fullload]

damn.. that almost sounded good




:roll:



Drtysuzuk Buy the kong, R&D sucks and it is expensive. The kong rocks.

[Depot]

ok.. srry if I wasnt clear... I got the flu.. meds and beer dont mix good :(

mightykong does rock... I run a home made version... cant convince myself to spend that kinda $$ for it.. but thats my cheap ass...

but when u do... watch those bombproof mounts.. .. keeping that in mind.. now read my previous blither...


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tomm.. when i take pics of my mounts.. I'll include the mighty kong i built for my truck and ripple out a long winded blah bout it too...

[KAC]

Any pics yet?:D

[Depot]

srry bout that.. forgot all bout em and then went up north for the last week. Will get dressed tommorow and go outside and snap some pics as promised..

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[KAC]

No problem. Thanks.

[KAC]

Helloooooooooooooooooo Is there any body out there?Any pics yet?:D Thanks

[Depot]

If it wasnt batteries running out, it was a missing patch cord. But i finally got the pics, thanks to lil-beast for the cam and sending me the pics after all is said and done... so here it is...

[Depot]

another

[Depot]

the second pic, u can see i cut and lowered the mount from the fram an inch. on the other side of the case, i cut the arm itself and lowered it an inch to drop my t-case to ease off the angles of my driveshafts.

also if u look close above u can see a 3/8 plate behing the stock short arm - that was the re-inforcement I did to prevent the short arm from folding over under torque.

the long arm i welded a 3/8 X 2 bar along the bottom to stop that one from splitting like so many do.

[Depot]

oh yah, if u look close at the second pic u can see the comealong that still holds my t-case mount in place :D

the third pic, is my home made mighty kong - this was my first one i ever build. It's all 3/8's. basically, i joined the 2 arms together and braced em to make it one big mount. that way when the t-case toques up, it doesnt allow the arms to move apart or in different directions preventing the case from splitting open.

The second one i build i did a bit different, next time I see gary, I'll try to snap some pics of his...the diffs...

long arm - same, 3/8 bar welded underneath the stock arm for strenth.

short arm, 3/8 plate (4 inch wide) welded on the other side of the short arm.. On my case, the 3/8 is against the t-case, on gary's the original arm is against the t-case with the plate on the =inside of the arm, that takes a little trimming to fit nice.

the pieces that go from one arm to the next, we used 4 " 3/8 plate so we put holes for the drain and fill plugs. We also cut off that stupid point on the bottom of my and made it flat..

\_/ instead of \/

dont forget a piece of angle support on the short arm like in this pic...

[Depot]

And finally, in case ur wondering, that big box around my front drive shaft - when i dropped my t-case an inch, the crossmember got in the way, it holds one t-case mount and the tranny mount. I cut the crossmember out and build this box to make up for it.


thats all folks.

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[KAC]

Thanks Depot:)

[gordZuki]

Originally posted by Depot
I used a 4 inch bolt and sidekick body mounts and made a triple decker sandwich..

BOLT
steel washer (from body mount)
rubber body mount
------ t-case arm
rubber mody mount
----- mount from frame
rubber body mount
steel washer
nylock NUT

then i tightened it all down till the rubber mounts were about 3/4 of an inch thick (they start out at just over an inch thich each)

but be forewarned - once u start using bombproof style t-case mounts - they will not break so somethign else will - either the arms off the t-case or the like in my case - the arms off the frame (gotta love that comealong :D )

If ur running stck motor and stock t-case I wouldnt be too worried using bombproof mounts.

I'd post pics but i forgot the digicam in my truck and she's in for service till thursday. srry

D

where can i get these right away?? the rubber body mounts and washers ...

[Depot]

go strip em off a kick like me :D or talk to Suzy, I think she has some.

l8r

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[KAC]

I just finished tonite buliding what I call my "Depot style " t -case mounting brakets. I used an old sj410 t-case skid plate welded the t-case mounts to it. and then beefed it like crazy. The "Depot style" mounts come later when my brother junks a spare tracker.

[gordZuki]

shit no kick to strip down here ... i need a number to call to get them ... it's goin in tomorrow ...

[leadfoot]

i'm doing something different for my t-case mounts.i was always bending or twisting my mounts on the frame as well as the t-case mounts. since i'm going with dual t-case setup,( using kick trans/t-case and sami t-case) i removed all the factory mounts on the frame. i'll be using shackle mounts from the frame since i dont need them. i welded them to the frame. i'm building a crossmember for both t-cases seperately and will have brackets attaching both crossmembers together. the brackets will be detattchable so one t-case can be removed without disturbing the other one. i'll also be insalling a skidplate.

[Depot]

no rubber? u need some flex in there - keep us posted as how it works out.

gl

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[leadfoot]

i plan on using rubber bushings, stock zuk shackle rubbers to be exact. both t-cases will be solid mounted to crossmembers. all the flex and give will be in the mounts.

[KAC]

Depot style mounts installed, just don't drive the old tracker at MLC's too fast:D