this cannot be a good noise, help

[zc911]

Yesterday on my way home i noticed that when i let off the gas i got a clunk a couple times. Now tthismorning, when i release the clutch shifting gears at anyhting over 2500rpm i get the clunk.
IT soudns like it;s comming from jsut behind the front seats.
Is it an axle U joint maybe? What should i check for?

[Mudslug]

Climb under the truck and grab a drive shaft..shake it up and down and look for play at the joints....don't forget to the the intermediate shaft too!!

If there is play remove the D shaft and replace the U joints!

[zc911]

thanks, will do that tonight when i get home when ever that is :(

Is there any wirte ups anywhere on how to repalce ujoints?(i'll search but if anyone has a link :D)
Is it easy enough to do?

[Mudslug]

I think this is one of the better write ups

http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_care_sat/2003/11/replacing_ujoints/

[zc911]

cool thanks,not to bad, damn snow though gotta bust out a tarp to flop myself down on.

They mentioned alot about vibrations, and i don;t ahve any vibrations?

[Mudslug]

If it isn't a shaft then I would look toward your pumpkins...lift the rear end in the air (easy now Mudd) and turn the pinion, if there is a huge amount of play or you hear a "clunk" there could be an internal issue...

[zc911]

doh, now i hope its a u joint lol

[Dxray]

Noise first, then vibrations. Trust me i know:(

[zc911]

fewww ok.

[Dxray]

But it can still be that your diffs are fawked.

[Fullload]

:D thats one way of reassuring the guy :D

[zc911]

I know eh :D :D

[zc911]

ok here is what it is
Ont he tranny near the back there is an arm bolted tot eh tranny with 4 bolts, wich is then bolted to a cross member with a rubber mount. Well that ruber mount is TOAST wich is causing the tranny to knock against the transmition tunnel.
Now, where can i get his rubber mount? Already tried crappy tire an they don;t ahve it, gonna try napa tommorw then the dealer, unless anyone has one kicking around?

I also noticed that the ujoints in the front driveshaft are toast, so i'll get those done while i am under there, since there is no rush i can jsut unbolt the axle and put it back in again once i get the new ujoints on

[lil beast]

your front itsnt being used if you have manual locking hubs. from what i remember the rubber mount is a dealer item only not too pricey either.

[zc911]

yup manual locking hubs, it does not spin, tahts hwy i amnot too worried about that right now. I might just take it out today since it's not cold out, and order up some ujoints, put them in over the holidays and then put the axle back in.

As for the mount, i seached napaonline.com and they have it
PArt number BK 6201273 :)

[zc911]

$23 :) for the mount

For the Ujoints he said they are all showing the same part number, are all the ujoints the same (Or the ones on the front driveshaft are they both the same?) ?

[TheSarg]

I only list 1 part # for all sammi u joints. if you can get the greasable ones, please do yerself a favour and do NOT grease it till it comes out the seals, thats what kills them. Only grease the u joint until u see the seal start to swell.

P# K1503

[zc911]

alright perfecct, and good tip thanks :)

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by zc911

Ont he tranny near the back there is an arm bolted tot eh tranny with 4 bolts, wich is then bolted to a cross member with a rubber mount. Well that ruber mount is TOAST wich is causing the tranny to knock against the transmition tunnel.


It's rare to find a sami with a good tranny mount. Problem is.... all the sami's Ive driven with a fawked mount dont bang off the tranny tunnel unless something else is gone as well, like a t-case mount (highly possible and probable) Take a look...

[zc911]

doh, alright i will check it out more throughly

[drtysuzuk]

I agree, my tranny mount has been fawked since i can't remember . i used a tap to chase the threads in the hole on the upper mount and used a fender washer and a flat to hold everything together.

It must be a bad tranfer case mount , they make all kinds of noise when you load the motor. More than likely one on the passenger side has gone south.

[MuddMachine]

Check your motor mounts as well cuz usually, like the tranny mount, one of the motor mounts took a shit too.

[zc911]

cool i will check it out, i am picking up new fron ujoints and the tranny mounts tonight, i'll put those in over the christmas holidays (4 day weekends are good days to take apart a truck lol) and i will check out the rest of the parts.

Also going to change front and rear diff fluid as well as tranny fluid while i am under there

thanks guys :)

[Depot]

4 days to change u-joints and a few liters of gear oil? damn mister, u union? :D


D

[zc911]

my luck is worse WORSE than anyone you know gaurantteed.
I once had to do an itnake mnaifold 4 times, FOUR TIMES becuase it didin;t seal right, got a wire cought betweent eh cylinder head and manifold, didin;t seal right again, and broke the gasket.
If ther eis a chance somthing will go wrong it will :) :(

[Fullload]

Naw never happens:roll: everything in life is so smooth and bolts never ever round off, or break when you dunk them in mud and water repeatedly for 6 months of the year and never take them off. lol have fun. :boot: shouldn't be that bad.

[lil beast]

Ever owned a VOLVO?

$ pit.:frag:

Did a clutch on a zuk three times cuz i didnt put the t case in gear.:bang:

Its still not that bad.

[TheSarg]

Did a clutch on a zuk three times cuz i didnt put the t case in gear.


:ro: Gawd luv ya buddy, that still makes me roar, reminds me of the time ....well thats another story.

:beer:

[zc911]

hahah did the same thing with a tranny on my odl winter beater, it was cable operated clutch and i never got the cable in position properly so the clutch pedal just dangled free, took the tranny off only to have a friend point out the cable was on wrong DOH

[zc911]

well, no i ahve a problem. New u joint on the frotn driveshaft, and enw tranny mount and Redline 75w90 gear oil, and i still have a clunk although now it;s just when i shift at higher RPMS or when i leave at too low an rpm (like a rolling stop in 2nd gear).
This is not good, i think somthing is scrwed in the rear end :(

Since i have zero room to work at home, who can i take my truck too to have the rear end taken apart and checked out?
It;s not somthing i want to do myself becuase i need the truck everyday and i have ZERO experience with taking apart a rear end, from what i have see it does not look easy.

[MuddMachine]

If I was you I'd ask (really nicely at that) Depot or Fullload to take a look at it fer ya before you do anything drastic. Could be trivial. Im a long ways away so I really cant do much fer ya dude.

:D

[Fullload]

I'll be out in the monrning, early afternoon and i'll give you a call. So keep your cell close. It must the christmas season. Meanwhile i'm not guarenteeing i'll know what it is but i'll have a good idea. we'll go for a drive, and go from there.

[zc911]

sweet :D
thanks man i really appreciate it, cell will be in my pocket all day :)

[DasZuk]

Just another little idea... If your truck is sprung-over you might want to check the U-Bolts on your rear axle... some times they will loosen off a bit and you'll get a "thunk" as the axle rocks back and forth on the springs... (it's just another quick & easy thing to check...)

[DasZuk]

Hey, here's another quick idea...
you can double check the intermediate shaft joints by putting your "T-CASE" in neutral, and your tranny in gear - then with the engine running let the clutch out (slowly & carefully, just incase sh*t happens) -you shouldn't move since only the little drive shaft from T-case to tranny will be spinning) If you get a vibration or clunking, look at those Ujoints again - sometimes you almost need to remove the drive shaft to feel a u-joint that has seized up (as opposed to falling apart) BTW, I've Been there, done that, felt kinda silly afterwards... if you don't get anything, look further down the driveline i.e. T-case, rear driveshaft and finally rear axle...

Good luck !

[Depot]

U know, this might sound really really stupid but how bout u get under ur truck, grab everything u can see and give it a good ol fashion jiggle?

9 times outta 10 if somethings broken in a Zuk, getting on ur back and looking around with both eyes and arms will tell u in under a minute whats what. It aint exactly rocket science.

btw, Fullload told me what ur prob was earlier... 3 pages of yappin over a broken trak bar eh?

all i can say is tsk tsk... Im going back to my home renovations where the plaster understands that its job is to break when I hit it with a sledge hammer!!!

D

[TheSarg]

Man on man, not impressed.
I dont know you, nor can u judge you, but i can express my opnion. Wtf dude? first Lil_Beast comes out and helps you and now FullLoad....are you capable of working on the truck yourself? Do you know how?

This might be harsh but shit man... do the legwork yourself!!
I see yer on HeepKings, ever considered selling the Zuk and getting a heep?

lets delete this threat and pretend it didnt happen.

Sarg

[zc911]

likewise i can express my opinion :upy:
I did the leg work and put in a mount and ujoint and looked things over, i just never thought the track bar would cause a cluck noise, so excuse me for not being an all knowing Susuki god like yourself :roll: dipshit

Fulload thanks again, much appreciated

[lil beast]

zc911, Rather than posting a post about a "clunking noise" PM someone to help you with this first like fullload, depot, and myself. We live pretty close to you so "I" dont have a problem going by to have a look at things for you. It is kind of a waste of time and bandwidth on something no one can figure out over the computer. Not everyone runs a track bar nor do the the people who run one know the sound it makes when it breaks.

Im not telling you not to post but please use your judgment on calls like this.

As far as harsh opinions go.....how the fuk are we gonna wheel toghether if we dont get along?????:ale:

[zc911]

:beer:

[Mudslug]

Holly fawk what happened here?? Looks like all kinds of big fat Barry White love going on....

Before we get into a pissing match and start turning into internet retards remember.

Shit gets missed, we all make errors, Superzuk has a cool dog, I own a cool zook, ZC911 needs to drink more beer while he fixes his junk, Mudd needs to drink more scotch and the pope is an old man.

Got it?

[IRNMN]

Just look at how many suggestions there were to diagnose the problem. I think it was a good post/thread and found it very informative...glad you figured out the problem and that it wasn't serious (read expensive) ;)

[Depot]

well, since we are all just fun loving hippies in this thread lemme spread it awn a bit thicker here....

the purpose of my reply despite the fact that it was so overshadowed by sargs opinion was to give u (zc911) a bit of static regarding working on ur rig without being a total prick like most of my posts. And by static I mean this....

U own a zuk, u got the zuk bug and u seem like a decent zuk owner from my impressions of u. U do ask all the right questions but where i get flustered is that u dont seem to do anything with the responses. for example, that steering prob u had way back when... numerous responses were given which gave u a clean list of things to check and the order in which to check em in. I for one member saying to check rag joints, steering u-joints and wheel bearings in my "helpfull" response and I'll be frank with yah.. it looked like u ignored it and cried more about how u couldnt figure it out when weeks later it turned out to be wheel bearings after all. if u dont know how to check wheel bearing then just ask.. after all, we all gotta learn from the begining.. just a few short years ago i never knew nuting bout cars and trucks and had to learn by diving in and asking simple Q's. here I am years later, have sawzall.. will travel.

ok.. im rambling on again.. in a nutshell its like this.... nobody expects u to know everything and anyone that says they do is just a heep f*g! actually, no one expects u to know anything.. thats why we ask questions... but I for one expect u to get on all 4's or ur back and "try" especially when u ask the Q! dont wait aroudn for beast or fullload of me or mudd or anyone to come and hold ur hand.. when u break down on the trail.. u better get in there and try ur ass off and then we'll all jump in to help yah.. otherwise go buy a heep and cry to howard when it breaks.

my views/suggestions for future :

we all make mistakes and thats why we laugh at each other - some ppl call that life!

there are no stupid questions.. just stupid answers.

If u never try, u'll never suceed.

failure is a step in learning.. geez.. just look at my last track bar design! :yike


blah blah blah

time to drink.. g'nite all!


D

[Fullload]

So at what point Depot, did you go from not knowing anything to knowing everything???




Just razzing ya.:beer:

Well all i know is that when i went to look at ZC911's truck i pointed out all the obvious stuff that i could see and let him know about it. Then i told him what the part does and how it works (whether he knew what it was or what it did to begin with) and i bet you that those questions will never be asked by him again.
Sometimes it is hard for one to take information off here and apply it to the bottom of your truck if your not familiar with the terminology. We can tell someone to look at the intermediate shaft or jack shaft all day long but if the person (sorry ZC911 to use you as an example) does not know where or what it does how do you expect them to know what it is under the truck.
Hopefully by me coming down and showing him how to look for possible problems, so that he can do this next time and avoid these problems. I know for sure that he watched me tap and bang and push on everything while i was there.
Another thing is that when i was learning i had someone there with me for the most part, so whatever questions i had or directions these people had to give me were either asked or followed closely. This person and people know who they are and i will never forget what they have done for me.
Zc911 bought his truck built which sometimes can be hard cause you do not know what the other person has done to the truck to build it, and because he bought it without knowing another fellow zuker to guide him like i had and depot had (andrew and the boys) he comes to us for direction.Thats one reason why i agree with buying a stocker and building it slowly. that way you know every nut and bolt from the get go.
I remember i had a clunk under my truck last may 24 weekend at ardbeg, just after depot helped me with my 4.1 t-case gears (my first time for that) and i got under there and looked and banged and came up with nothing. Uncle don got under there and pointed out 30 seconds later that my u-joint clip was not all the way in which caused that slop but the way it was parked i could not tell by banging on it and jiggling it. Sure i felt silly but it was something that was overlooked. Now i know to double check all my u-joint C clips after installation.
Live and learn.
:beer: :beer:

[zc911]

i read everone loud and clear :)
I gaurantee you will never have another question from me about anyhting to do with steering (well maybe PS next year) or u joints or trackbars(i honestly thought the track bar was stock) :D :D

[Depot]

Originally posted by Fullload
So at what point Depot, did you go from not knowing anything to knowing everything???


i go through that point almost everynite, just shortly after i fall asleep and enter REM sleep. In my dreamworld i know everything :D In reality - well, reality sucks compared to that!

ZC - ask all the questions u want - no such thing as a stupid question.. if I reply to something and im not clear and its not just me mixing my flu meds and beer again, ask for clarification.. but the only way ur truly gonna learn is to jump in hands first and try.. ask q's, try, ask more q's try some more.. next thing u know u'll be a zookpower expert too :beer:

D

[MuddMachine]

No one knows everything but I know for sure that when you start into this 4x4 shit you know fuk all. Everyone has to start at the bottom. The more you ask and listen and read and fix the more you will know. Only problem is ... if you dont know how to check for bearing slop then you cant tell if its a bearing. Experience rules. Ask what ya gotta ask but some stuff is just left best to get help the first time round, then next time you'll know. I still ask questions and will continue to cuz this hobby is just too involved to know it all.

On Pirate they say "SEARCH"

On Zookpower they say "Grab the shaft asshole"

Sheesh....... you guys are brutal :D

[zc911]

maybe by the time i ask all the questions, there will be enough info to say SEARCH LOL :D :D

[vanbdan]

don't feel bad ANYBODY!I've had a zook for 13 years,and didn't know shit till a few years ago.now most of the shit Ithink I know is still the wrong shit. I thought I could out drive anybody,till I went to Ardbeg,and watched....I watched a well done H##P try for 40 minutes plus to get up a ledge and fail.....and then when nobody was paying attention Pistol Pete walked it.
I'n a word I dont know shit about working on my zook,but I'll fawkin' learn.I can drive,and someday Ill learn to maintain ,and repair too ,'cause i'll have to.

[Depot]

hey vanbdam.. thats just not fair u know... if u wnat us all to start picking on u, then gosh darnit - go start ur own thread with an intro like that... Im sure I'm not the only one that would oblige u in Zuk101! :D :D

l8r

D

[zc911]

it;s still making funky nosises :D
Even after replacing another ujoint and welding up and beefing up the broken trac bar.
I noitced that on the rear diff , on the (this is hard to explain lol) snout? that comes out where the ujoint connects the driveshaft to the rear end, moves quite a bit. Is that normal?

[MuddMachine]

No, its not normal, your pinion bearing is shot. Replace it NOW or replace the whole r&p soon.

[TheSarg]

I concur, damn R&p's can be a bugger and the worst of times!!!

[zc911]

Damn it :bang:
How bad is that to do?

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by zc911
Damn it :bang:
How bad is that to do?

Depends...... the 'proper' way ? Or the "Shit, Mudd's not missin the weekend way" ?

[zc911]

lol :D :D
well give me a run down :)

[TheSarg]

2 cases of beer, speed-dial, 2 late night pizza's and pay close attention to hows it's done. , oh yeah adda new pinion bearing, 1 ton press, new pinion seal, new outer axle seals, new diff seal, new diff fluid, prolly new brake lines (yeah, like they wont break)

lol sure i missed something, but i know 2 R&P's were done in the camp @ Suzican® so it cant be that hard.

:beer:

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by TheSarg
2 cases of beer, speed-dial, 2 late night pizza's and pay close attention to hows it's done. , oh yeah adda new pinion bearing, 1 ton press, new pinion seal, new outer axle seals, new diff seal, new diff fluid, prolly new brake lines (yeah, like they wont break)

lol sure i missed something, but i know 2 R&P's were done in the camp @ Suzican® so it cant be that hard.

:beer:

OK Sarge, thats the proper way :yike lol.

Butcher version is to pull off the pinion flange, pull the seal, pull the shitty bearing..... forget that there's a race that should ideally be changed :eek: and pop the new bearing in, then the seal, then torque the flange back down. Done. Yah yah, had them last a few years like that so whatever.......

[zc911]

cool, i can either version :D
Any volunteers or i am going with version 2 :)
If i do version 2 all i need is a pinion bearing and pinion seal?