who's running zook diffs locked both ends ?

[MuddMachine]

Who's running a zook on 33's locked both ends ? And where are you at (Ontario is my interest) Been thinkin about lockin the LWB up, and yeah, I know bout the power steering (I have one in stock) Thinkin about breakage rates and stuff. One thing I have on my side is I can drive. One thing I have against me is the extra weight of the LWB. But if I lock it up and it stays together.... hehehe, you get the idea.

:ev: :ev: :ev:

[Mudslug]

George is locked front and rear....but he is a Toyo...

I am on 35's and I pound on it pretty good and no BOOM yet....The steering sucks so its going power this winter.

[MuddMachine]

Toys + 35" radials vs zooks and 33" boggers= totally different world. If I had toys and 35's I wouldnt be askin.

[Mudslug]

Then its time to move up!!!

I would go for it just to see what happens..

[Fullload]

With your driving style Mudd i would throw in a set of birfield rings while your in there and go for it. Most (most!!!! except for the odd time ) your front end is light therefore less stress on the axles, and knowing how to drive could possibly have yourself avoiding the rock in a crevise trying to climb out breakage situation.
No people, i'm not kissing ass, the boy does know how to drive!!! he's gone places open diff with the LWB that i couldn't locked and geared. Fact!

[TheSarg]

Hey Mudd, if i were you i would weld the spiders on both yer front & rear and carry spare carriers for each, lockers are expensive and by doing this you can trial it out. If it breaks @ the spiders it diagnoses one way, if it breaks @ the pinion gears (which seems quite common) you know an upgrade might be realistic. Everybody has spare stock carriers and i know yer welding skills. It would cost you nothing but some silicone & some diff fluid to put it through its paces and know where yer at.

Anyways, i dont run 33's and im not locked @ both ends, so i guess u werent askin me. LiL Beast was locked (rear) @ SuziCan® w/33's and had no probs, but he's the smoothest driver i know.


:beer:

[MuddMachine]

Thanx for the compliments guys...... biggest thing is Im hungry for some mods, gettin the itch to build but decided to hold off on building another rig till I buy a house. Lockin it up is the cheapest option for me at this point and as I said, I already have a power steering setup awaiting me. And next year I'll have the trailer .

An upgrade is definitely on the list, most likely a whole new rig. Would like to keep this trailworthy and grocery getter compliant at the same time, after all, it is a zook !

:D

[drtysuzuk]

two of my buddies have run locked or welded diffs. the fronts just don't seem to stay together. i,ve seen one break when the wheel came of the ground and then landed again.

excessive throttle may have been a factor though.
ive given serious thought to this as well but if i go yota i,d like to find an e-locker

[lil beast]

Mudd, if ya wana try some birf rings i have a set that will not be of any use to me. id be willing to donate to a worthy cause. im gonna be different.:ro:

tis the season:beer:

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by lil beast
Mudd, if ya wana try some birf rings i have a set that will not be of any use to me. id be willing to donate to a worthy cause. im gonna be different.:ro:

tis the season:beer:

Thanx Paul, really appreciate the offer :beer:

However I won a set at the first Suzican :D :D :D



Hey drtysuzuk, I could see some poppin goin on with the front airborne and still spinnin. Just gotta watch the skinny pedal and be slick with the brake/clutch thingies.

I think I'd also consider running axles without the birf rings at first cuz theyre a bitch to press on and then press off if I break the axle. Plus I have to pull the whole knuckle with the birf ring on, dunno if it would be faster to pull the whole knuckle (im a bit rusty right now) but it would be much easier to just pull the axle and only carry an axle for spare , rather than knuckle and whole assembly.

[Depot]

lemme start off by saying that yes mister, u r one hellova finessfull driver. But i dont think that ur query comes down to driving ability.

1. these are suzuki front axels - size of a nickel in diameter? or is it a quarter - or is that they're scrap value? :)

2 - 33X14 BOGGERS!!!!

3 - birfields - known weak spot specially in reverse with wheels turned one way. dont need to be locked to learn that lesson. rings will help here - dunno how much but Im sure u'll tell us when time comes.

Just a couple months ago I chucked a whole pile of zuk front axels, all of em with splines nicely twisted, just beggin to break, thats gonna be ur biggest weak point. Ur running an aggressive tire on an axel that just cant handle that much agression... open diff allows u to get away with it.. locked or welded = no mercy.

IMHO, dont waste $$ on locker - do a weld. get ur power steering in cause ur gonna need it. save ur birfield rings cause my money says ur gonna snap axles at the pumpkin side. I'd even go so far as to suggest doing the marstack method and eliminate the c-clip taht holds ur axel to ur birf that way all u gotta carry is spare inners and birfs seperate - nice and easy to pack.

once u find n accpetable breakage rate - then do ur rings.

my non 2 cents

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[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by Depot

2 - 33X14 BOGGERS!!!!


save ur birfield rings cause my money says ur gonna snap axles at the pumpkin side. I'd even go so far as to suggest doing the marstack method and eliminate the c-clip taht holds ur axel to ur birf that way all u gotta carry is spare inners and birfs seperate - nice and easy to pack.

once u find n accpetable breakage rate - then do ur rings.

my non 2 cents

D

33x14 boggers- Id be willing to step down to a 33 BFG to keep it all together.

marstack, cool, how is this done ?

Id assume the axle will break at the birf where it necks down if not the birf first.

Anyone have any experience with warn hub fuses ???

[Depot]

srry, its martack - do a search on pirate.. tons of stuff there


l8r

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[zc911]

wouldn't it be better to run a locker rear, open front, and better tires, instead of locked front and back and a comprimise in tires?

[Fullload]

Can't get much better than boggers in Ontario terrain. so all is left is to lock it!!! I'd say do it.
I've never heard of anyone doing a martack on a zuk axle but it does make sense in this application on fear of breakage.
Gimmie a minute to dig up a link that i found somewhere.

[Fullload]

Guess it took me more than 15 mins to find it :D

Here's one.
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/cheaptricks/clipweld/

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by zc911
wouldn't it be better to run a locker rear, open front, and better tires, instead of locked front and back and a comprimise in tires?

No I dont think so, If I put BFG's on and lock both, I'll go way farther than just locked rear and boggers, besides, been there, done that long enough. My green zook's been locked for probably 5 years.

[KAC]

I'm running sj gear with 33 swampers welded both ends with a diesel . No breakage yet. Toy stuff going in the spring Probably after I help doing a couple of solid axels swaps on a couple of Trackers.

[zc911]

oh ya i guess so, tires can;t do any good if they arn't turning lol

[MuddMachine]

KAC what type of terrain you wheelin on ???

[Fullload]

From my expierence Nova Scotia turf is the same as Ontario turf. Goes for all of the eastern coast really.

[MuddMachine]

So umm...... no one know anything bout Warn hub fuses ?

[Fullload]

I know that you have to run the warn hub to accept thier fuses. fuses are about $20.00 a pair U.S and they are designed to break before an inner axle. (dunno about a birf) But i would consider those as cheap insurance cause a set of warn's hubs are like 120.00 for the pair and the fuses take ten minutes to switch.
here's a pic for those who do not know what a hub fuse is.

[SJKrawler]

There was a discussion like this on the pirate forum, somebody replaced the hub bolts with grade 2 or something low quality like that so they would shear easy. I think the drillied out the threads in the hub with clearance in the back for a nut. Then there would'nt be the problem of extrecting a bolt out of the threads.
It would take a bit of experimenting to find which grade works best.
The prob with that is you will need them to be as weak as the birf is when it is turning, so you will be carrying that weakness over to driving straight. Bit of a comprimise, you may be replacing lots of bolts, but put it this way, bolts are cheap and more plentiful than birfs and axles.
Using bolts as a fuse most likely comes down to personal preferance, PITA for one person and great for the other.

[Fullload]

Your right SJkrawler it is personal preferance. I'd prefer a hub fuse, cause i hate stubborn bolts when they shear, even if it is through bolted, it still means taking the cover off the hub and then taking the hub off the spindle. I'd rather take the 6 small 8mm bolts off the cover Hub face and clean the broken fuse and replace. Less time and aggravation IMHO.

[MuddMachine]

I think what he was saying is that they were using shitty bolts cuz the hub fuses werent working like they should.

[SJKrawler]

Well, something along that line, I was just thinking of the combination with the stock hub.
Was the hub fuse even designed to protect the birfield when turning?

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by SJKrawler

Was the hub fuse even designed to protect the birfield when turning?

I dont think so, it was just supposed to be a weak point to stop axle snappage.

[Superzuk]

MuddMachine, I ran the red zuk in my garage with it lead locked at both ends, with 35" Kumho Mud Terrains. I had no problems with breakage, just had to drive lightly on the skinny pedal. If it starts to hop, then let off before it's gonna pop... That's about it... I was fully locked, 5.125's, in a SWB... I think the 33" Boggers are heavier and going to be harder on the axles and birfs than my Kumho's were, but if you don't mind changing to BFG mud terrains, I think you will be fine... (Also, I was running Aluminum rims, so they are lighter too... )
I think you should be fine with it... just a pain in the ass to steer... so you will need some power steering.

Remember, you can always unlock one side using the hubs too...


My opinion, worthwhile to test it out...

[IRNMN]

The discussion of hub fuses was on the zukisource BBS as well. The concensus is that the zook axles are weeker then the fuses. In order for the fuses to work you'd have to machine them so that they are weaker than the axle...it'd be trail and error to find the correct fuse thickness...a costly trial and error process at that.

[IRNMN]

Have any of you considered a LSD instead of a locker up front...more traction than open diffs and not as much stress as a locker.

[KAC]

Lsd's are expensive then trying to find one is kinda hard.

[MuddMachine]

No IRNMN, I havent considered an LSD cuz I want a locker and a locker is a locker, you know what I mean.

:D

[IRNMN]

True they are expensive and hard to find...just another option that I hadn't seen mentioned.

Yep I know what you mean about a locker being a locker :)

Too bad Eaton doesn't make their electronically operated locker for a Kick or Sammy...I could see buying a pair of those over the ARBs if they did!

[MuddMachine]

I may weld the front but I hate the thought of welding the rear. Drive the truck around the corner and its like being on a ride at the amusement park where you lose money out of your pockets with every turn.

:confused:

[gobig]

hey, i am locked front and back, and i ahve a set of warn hubs with the fuse kit installed. so far so good, but haven't had it out much to test it. i am running 33 truxxus mt's
they are a little lighter then the traditional swampers.
i do not have power sterring , but i really do need one, when locked up, no way is it easy to steer, just keep the fingers out of the way of the steering wheel!!!!:yike :yike
anyway, i am looking forward to wheeling this year with every body, and hey, fulload, if your reading this, we have to hook up at Timmy's again down by Princess Auto for a coffee, and i will bring the sammi with me.
3 months done, 4 fuel pumps, and 3000km's , just keeps on going!!!!

[TheSarg]

33 BFG to keep it all together


I still have Grasshoppers set 33x12.5x15 MT's on 15x10 chrome wheels, just like @ Suzican, if u go that way ill hook ya up.

:beer:

[lil beast]

sarg. how much you want for the tires?

[Fullload]

Yeah gobig i remember you. You are the guy that was driving the honda prelude if i remember correctly. Anytime you wanna hook up just say the word cause i work less than two mins from there.
How did that bracket work for you?
Oh yeah bout time that you stopped lurking and actually said something on here.
Now all i need is your twenty bills for your new avatar and stuff and then you can show off pics of your rig to everybody. :beer:

[gobig]

no prob, just let me know when you are free, and i will come down!!!!
the bracket rests in my tool box still, as i am still using the sammy alt, and i have lots of spares.
by the way , you have a good memory.
let me know if you guys plan on any winter wheeling, i'm in .