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MuddMachine
June 11th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Apparantly, as of the past spring season, you are not allowed to tow with a towbar unless the said towed vehicle is plated and insured. This is due to all the rednecks hauling vehicles to scrap that are far from road worthy. I do not know if this is 100% fact but it should be looked into. Geuss Im gonna get insurance for Suzican.

:(
TheSarg
June 11th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Unfortunatly this isnt a new law, it's how its been for at least 3 years (prolly more) it's just like fender flares...the popo are getting wiser.
longy442
June 12th, 2007, 08:45 AM
I just checked that with my insurance company, he thought the towed viechlel became like a trailer and while attached is insured by the towing viechle it is attaced to. My zook is plated, just not insured right now. He was not 1000% though. I have special RV insurance for my tow veichle but I doubt that is any different than any other.
Canadian_zuk
June 13th, 2007, 10:59 PM
I just had this conversation with my Ins company this week. If I flat tow it, it's an implement insured under the towing vehicle. As far as plates go, I'll just get a trip permit, My ownership says fit.
SamiFlyer
June 14th, 2007, 12:13 AM
I just had this conversation with my Ins company this week. If I flat tow it, it's an implement insured under the towing vehicle. As far as plates go, I'll just get a trip permit, My ownership says fit.

Just curious, is there a max number of trip permits one can get for the same vehicle?
MuddMachine
June 14th, 2007, 05:38 AM
I'll just get a trip permit, My ownership says fit.

Did they say it has to be plated ?
TheSarg
June 14th, 2007, 05:41 AM
All i can say is is if thats whut they are telling you get it in writing, and make a call to the MTO regarding it as well. As for insurance anything with a Vin n an engine must have its own. Stuff on trailers that aint vehicles are covered under home insurance not the insurance of the towing vehicle.

Canadian insurance charters are all online, and it goes over this very thing.

Basically my point is alot of resellers of insurance IE agents and brokers really dont know shit, or tell you the shit u wanna hear to keep yer business.

Flat tow: Must be insured.

Car Dolly: Dont gotta

Trailer: Dont gotta
SamiFlyer
June 14th, 2007, 08:28 AM
Car Dolly: Dont gotta


Looks like my towbar just got upgraded to a car dolly. :roll:
JamesB
June 14th, 2007, 02:04 PM
Just curious, is there a max number of trip permits one can get for the same vehicle?

4 per 365 day period according to the MTO website:

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm
erda
June 18th, 2007, 02:44 PM
I've been checking towing regs from around Canada and the US. Seems that many places require some form of "onboard" braking for towed vehicles and trailers that have a weight above 2000lbs.
Does anybody use a brake system, and if so what type?
erda
Mud Lite
June 18th, 2007, 03:18 PM
I've been checking towing regs from around Canada and the US. Seems that many places require some form of "onboard" braking for towed vehicles and trailers that have a weight above 2000lbs.
Does anybody use a brake system, and if so what type?
erda

From what I have seen , it is cheaper to buy a trailer.
longy442
June 19th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Well my zook is plated and insured for suzican week end anyway, I'm flat towing all the way it looks like so wish me luck. hope she all holds together doing 100 klicks.

Now mines a kick t-case, whay unhook the rear shaft, these are designed to drive these distances whats wrong with pulling them that far. Even in newtral that gears will spin and get lubricated. Whats the difference towing than actually driving a kick that far? Why all the hub bub about unhooking d-shafts?
MuddMachine
June 20th, 2007, 06:13 AM
Why all the hub bub about unhooking d-shafts?

Cuz the d-shaft angles are far from stock.
longy442
June 20th, 2007, 08:27 AM
Cuz the d-shaft angles are far from stock.
thx:
A U-joints, now that makes sense, I walked right past those to the t-case.
Ya my shaft angle are very far from stock, to say the least.
Criminal0
June 20th, 2007, 03:41 PM
anyone got any plans or a source for parts for making a tow-dolly?
..or you know .. pv msg me if you have a trased one you wanna sell :)



thx
Canadian_zuk
June 20th, 2007, 05:08 PM
anyone got any plans or a source for parts for making a tow-dolly?
..or you know .. pv msg me if you have a trased one you wanna sell :)



thx


PistolPete has one for sale for $500 right here on Zookpower. You cannot build a decent dolly for that much. The surge brake actuator alone will run over $200, a braking axle will cost over $200 at the cheapest, then you still need to build the dolly.
Criminal0
June 20th, 2007, 07:33 PM
k, y'all got me really confused, so i called up my local city MTO office (in Ontario) .. (none of this 1-800-bullsh*t)... and they said ....

Flat towing with all 4 wheels on the ground with a 'tow-bar' or using a car Dolly is common and both are viewed the same way ..... Both do NOT require the 'towed' vehicle to be insured or plated - period. HOWEVER -- .

.... This is all assuming that the Tow rig is 100% legit .. and you are within weight restrictions and hooked up proper.


hrm.
kneedeep
June 20th, 2007, 07:52 PM
but they also state that if the vehicle has any of its own wheels on the ground the ownership must say PASS FIT even if towed buy a tow truck. Most cops do not both but if you get one that knows and is in a mood he can charge u. does not need a plate but must say pass fit.
Mud Lite
June 20th, 2007, 08:55 PM
Basically it is like all the laws that pertain to us. Only half the cops know all the laws and the other half have a distortion of the laws. It is like getting a ticket for your tires being too wide? They aren't too wide, they just stick out too much. There is a differance. or they say you need flares to cover the wheels, but you only need mud flaps. When in doult, do your own research and carry those sections in your glove box.
Criminal0
June 23rd, 2007, 10:36 AM
the ownership for my 'buggy' does say 'pass-fit', whatever ... so, no issue there. But .. umm, rite from my local MTO office - Insurance is not require on the towed vechicle as long as it it accatched to the tow-rig.


YAY!
TheSarg
June 23rd, 2007, 02:50 PM
Wow, no wonder there is such misdirection in our community...the gov spits out its own lack of continuity when it comes to thier own rules. I called the MTO and they said 4 tires on ground means valid insurance and ownership.

so basically i guess play it safe, make sure u have appropriate paperwork proving its yours, and u have it fastened properly and suitable with the right chains and closed hooks and good working lighting and drive normal.

Government :roll:
neb
June 24th, 2007, 11:31 AM
Why can't i go another way and say my zuk is not a truck being flat towed, But a trailer? A trailer does not need insurance. What are the rules on what a trailer can and can't be?
MuddMachine
June 24th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Trailers are a whole different ball game. If you have a trailer, be sure you know the laws unless you want $2500 in fines. Dont laugh, Im dead serious...

http://www.zookpower.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=4530
longy442
June 24th, 2007, 05:21 PM
the ownership for my 'buggy' does say 'pass-fit', whatever ... so, no issue there. But .. umm, rite from my local MTO office - Insurance is not require on the towed vechicle as long as it it accatched to the tow-rig.


YAY!

Maybe the issue arrises if it unattaches from your tow rig while driving down the road, then does your tow veichle cover liability if your zook mows into someones house??? Everybody insure your rig if your flat towing,
Criminal0
June 25th, 2007, 07:35 AM
*shrug*
neb
July 9th, 2007, 09:26 PM
We had a talk with some other wheelers and one did call a MTO guy. The mto officer He said not to worry about it and the cops were after the guys towing scrap cars and cars that are unsafe to be on the road or not hooked up right, safety chains or lights.
So i will still tow mine and i passes 10 cops this season and they looked at my buggy and kept driving.