clicky starter(yah ,again)

[vanbdan]

I never had this problem with the sj,but now all of a sudden it got cold,and "Betsy" only wants to click click click.Anybody else ever notice if cold makes this worse?I remember Fullload saying his goes sometimes 20 times before starting.........mine was 2-3 times,but today its 20-40:yike .
yes I did search,and now know how to fix it,-just gotta wait for my check-thanks

[GearHead]

strange..!!! new starter. how is the battery?
when it acts up try putting 12v to the starter realy directly from that battery with a different piece of wire, if that fixes it i would recomend the "clicky starter fix".......its just a relay. the old starter seleniod wire now activates the relay and then the starter gets 12v directly from the battery.

The starter relay really needs a good shot of juice to move the plunger, the plunger actually makes the electrical connection and moves the starter gear onto the flywheel.

I think i even have a few relays, and pigtails i bough onsale at princess auto a while ago. they were cheap so i grabbed a bunch.

On i side note......i think i found another set of keys for you truck.
You want me to mail them to you?? or just hang onto them untill we meet on the trail?

later
steve

[vanbdan]

ya hang on to those keys,and when we meet on the trail,you can give em to me then,and thanks!-now the starter is the new one,the battery is a brand new one (ala canada tire-I had the other one tested and it was pooched)-and after several turns of the key,it starts,sooo its the relay for sure.All the symptoms say so,I just wondered if the cold is maybe making it worse.

[Fullload]

Originally posted by vanbdan
when we meet on the trail


Thats funny Vanbdan. just razzing ya. here is a good write up i found not too long ago which gives you detailed positioning of what wire goes where if you wanna piece your own relay together.


http://www.izook.com/reviews/clicky_fix/clickyfix.htm

Not that hard to do if you have the time. I just never found /made or had the time!!!

[GearHead]

hmmm i would try the seleniod tick for sure. not to hard it will take you longer to make the wires look nice that it will to make it work. It must me a newer..............hahaha........samurai thing. my 85 has never clicked, unless the battery/starter was toast. It has se me some change suzuki made in the wiring harness.

who know.

later
steve

[Dxray]

Realy cost me 12$ at canadian tire and it's the best thing i ever done to it, really felt like an ass trying to get my zuk started at a gas station or anywhere.

[zc911]

heheh thats funny iwas thinking of posting the same thing this monring. Anything -10 or above (I have an outside temp gauge in the truck) it start no problem. But the colder it gets the harder it is to start, mine usually clicks 3-4 times before firing up.
Time to get a relay

[vanbdan]

thanks for the reply's guys,and ya fullload I'll be on the trails this year,sure would be nice to have a sticker on my zook:D. Dxray,I read your old post,but it just says you used a chev relay-got a part #,or something I can ask for(year,make ,model?)
Hey gearhead,I never had a problem with my '83 either-13 years without a starter problem...go figure.

[vanbdan]

hey,I read that link to I-zook,but it doesn't state what size the relay is,any body know?

edit- I followed another link-it is a 30amp relay,in case anybody else needs to know.

[MuddMachine]

Funny....... it's -34 here right now and the ole green zook fired right up. Took the starter apart a while ago and cleaned it up, all good now.

:D

[zc911]

i got another one for you ugys
when its really cold, once it fires up and if i let my foot off the clutch right away she will die. After 10-15s it;s no problem

[vanbdan]

ugys? who you callin ugy?:fa:

[zc911]

:D :D
ooops

[MuddMachine]

Originally posted by zc911
i got another one for you ugys
when its really cold, once it fires up and if i let my foot off the clutch right away she will die. After 10-15s it;s no problem

Correct, I geuss the tranny fluid is so cold and thick so when you let out the clutch, the output doesnt turn too freely till it warms up. My geuss.

[zc911]

ahhhh ok, that makes sense

[Fullload]

Originally posted by vanbdan
edit- I followed another link-it is a 30amp relay,in case anybody else needs to know.

All i did was look at the picture of the fuse and the fuse holder and it said 30 amps so i knew that was the right size relay or bigger if needed cause the fuse would handle it!!!
Besides i think that i have so much shit in the starter it is so hard for the plinger to engage. I have cobbled and jerry rigged this thing twice over the last two years. I bet if i really tried and cleaned it up again i could get anopthet year :D

[lil beast]

Originally posted by zc911
i got another one for you ugys
when its really cold, once it fires up and if i let my foot off the clutch right away she will die. After 10-15s it;s no problem


could be the release bearing.

[zc911]

no noise though, and only does it when it;s really cold like this monring

[GearHead]

i think a 30 amp realy would be beg enough......i did a quick search on google and got this

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/mobile-emotions/relays.html

looks like the use them for high amp car audio.

later
steve

[vanbdan]

Well,I got over to princess auto,but they didn't have a relay,and I went to can tire,and the guy behind the counter said he wasn't sure if he had what I wanted.So I looked around in the automotive area-lighting/electrical,and found a "wiring harness" to hook up two lights,ie:foglights/driving lights/lights to poach deer at night:D etc.........It comes with a30 amp relay,and even a 15 amp mini fuse(I had a weatherproof fuse holder at home for a 30amp so I used that insted).I had to change a spade connector,but took about 20 minutes in the driveway,and "Betsy" fired right up.
All told about $20&tax-and well worth the time ,effort and money.easy fix.Went and drove around towards Raglan,and laughed at the sleders(that will be the day I run a $4000to$10000 sled in 6 inches of snow ).Started every time
Hmmm,I'm flatbroke,but not whinning:yike :D

[GearHead]

glad to hear you got the problem resolved.
I dont know what it is with the later samurai's this starter thing seems to be a common problem.

later
steve

[Fullload]

Yup i went to start mine today!!! The starter hated the hammer, cause it still put up a hell of a fight. Half the problem is a sticky plunger (read sig please) and the other half is that cursed clicky thingy bull.
I get on to it after. (after it's in a garage that is!!!)

[vanbdan]

Well,here we go again.........this is getting really annoying.I went out this morning,and all I get again is a click,click,click.
I think i'll put the fawker back in the garage.It always started when it was in the garage.I think it's afraid of the cold.So far I have changed the starter,put a brand new battery in it,and the fawkin relay...........what now? do I gotta put a block heater in it too?:bang: :bang:
fawk me gently!.......@#$%!!!!!!!!

[zc911]

mine has a block heater and i started plugging it in and click click click no more :)

[vanbdan]

I'm thinking this is the problem.........anybody out there no where I would get a block heater, hey Sarge you always seem to know parts and prices... how about this?
Anybody else got a clue on this?

[Fullload]

Before you get the urge to spend more money just stand back take a deep breat and call somebody and politely ask them to look at what you have done when you installed the relay.
Don't take offense, to this. It is just better if someone else see what you have done.
The way i see it, you have a new starter. or was it a new ,used one? You have a new battery (or it is used). Just say that everything is Brand new.

1) lotsa juice from the battery
2) new starter, clean from mud and water/not frozen or sticky
3) add relay and still clicky, clicky

The only thing that makes sense is a used battery, used starter, or a improperly wired relay and it is not doing it's job. A starter should turn a cold engine no matter how cold it is provided it is supplied with the proper amount of volts from the battery.

good luck.

[vanbdan]

Good point Fullload-and lucky for me I'm lazy,and haven't done anything about it yet.So I guess the best thing to do is get my warm work clothes on and go out and double check the relay-uh tommorow- maybe tonight,we will see.Something I was thinking about is all my connections.maybe a loose wire,or screw:D
oh ya the starter is a new rebuild from Gearhead-from can tire,and the battery is also brand new-also can tire.

[Fullload]

Sounds like a faulty connection or wired improperly. Check it out in the cold with warm boots on by your house or curse at it when you are in good clothes in the mall parking lot even colder and with a truck that still doesn't start!!!:beer:

[vanbdan]

hey get this.......If I turn the key first,and then step on the clutch,"Betsy" fired right up! go figure....
nobody gonna steal this zook.

[Fullload]

Thats funny, but i think i know why it would work, but i'm not really sure why???

[zc911]

hmm i gotta give that a try and see if that works for me, forgot to plug it in alst night DOH

[GearHead]

hmmmm

newer zooks --- have the clutch switch and have the clich starter problem

older zooks --- no switch, no click starter


hmmm

later
steve

[Depot]

heres a thought... bypass the switch (unplug it and jump it with a wire) and see if that takes care of it

sounds to me like u may have some moisture in ur clutch safety swith that intermitantly interferes with the starter relay. take switch off, clean and dry it out and try that or bypass it entirely if ifs not a daily and ur the only driver.

D

[zc911]

that does work, i tired it last night when i left work